The Quixtar Business Meeting
Quixtar
| November 19, 2003
| Tim
Last night I attended one of the local Quixtar business meetings. It met at a local hotel and was attended (so said the official tally) by 208 people. There were three parts to it: an initial presentation of the plan, a break, some descriptions of some products, a break, then a "night owl" part where they focused on being "core" -- i.e. following the standard practices recommended by Britt Worldwide, who makes the tools.
They sat the "new" people at the front, where the speaker could make direct eye contact and talk to them. The speaker was fairly effective: Whether he knew it or not, he used all the standard mechanisms of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) to incite desire in his audience and then portray the Quixtar plan as the object which satisifies that desire, and even left with a repeated suggestion -- which he explicitly identified as a post-hyponotic suggestion (that doesn't counteract it's efficacy) that new people would have trouble sleeping that night, and all they would think of was "the plan".
It was done very effectively: The banter was light, fast, and self-deprecating, the jokes were funny, and people were put at ease by being told (honestly) that there would be no pressure at the meeting.
And people were asked to envison and describe "their dreams". Their dreams, were, of course, generally materialistic objects. One man wanted a house by a lake. Another woman wanted a ten-passenger jet. Just for grins, the speaker tossed in more time for charity. People were asked to visualize their particular object of desire in great detail.
Lust is awakened.
Previously, the speaker tells us, he was very good at justifying why it was wrong to want these things. He would use his intelligence to explain why he didn't need a fancy car, or an expensive summer home. (Why was this wrong? Because he was using it to justify his current status in life, rather than questing for more.)
People were also given three warnings.
One was not to talk to friends about this: "Don't ask your friends what they think of this. You might hear: 'Oh, someone tried this and they lost their shirt.' They are not making money. Talk to them about other things, not this."
Another warning was to avoid "experts" on Quixtar. "You will meet people who know all kinds of things about this business. They are 'an expert'. I have met these people. They have charts and graphs. Ask them if they have money. They are broke. Do not listen to them because they are not making money, and they have not tried it themselves."
People: When you hear anyone issue a warning, on any sort of topic, of this nature, I advise you to run the opposite direction.
Why?
Because the warnings themselves are telling you: (a) there is a lot of troubling information out there about this business, (b) thinking about it in detail could make you oppose it, and (c) we're not comfortable with you taking a critical look at it.
This is not a characteristic of an ethical business.
(Christians: Is this "hiding in darkness" or "walking in light"? Did Jesus hide who he was and what he did? Did he ask people to not take a critical look at him? Did he not, instead, ask you to count the cost and consider the downside? Why does this business repudiate, in practice, his teachings?)
The third warning is that some people will tell you this is "a pyramid", and that that somehow makes it wrong. This was diffused in two ways. First, it was pointed out that the person who signs up the most people will do the best, not the person at the top.
True, but it's still a pyramid, just one with a slightly more sophisticated structure. My own sponsor's sponsor said as much when she wrote "legal pyramid" on her description when diagraming the business for me.
The second deflection was to show that a corporate org chart has a pyramid shape, and say that they made more money off your work than you did.
But this neglects a huge difference: In a legitmate organization, the money flows in from the outside. There's this extra huge entity in the picture called "the customer", and it's located outside the pyramid. Money flows in from the customer and makes a positive cash contribution to every employee: the money flows into and down the pyramid.
In an unethical pyramid scheme, the money flows up the pyramid, from the members, not from an external customer. And the people at the bottom are not guaranteed a positive cash flow, as employees are.
Employers benefit more from your work than you do?
First, this is often untrue: there are whole parts of a business which are necessary but costly, not profitable. Second, this is irrelevant: Calculations based on envy are often misleading; many situations are win/win! Decide on the basis of what is best for you -- don't worry about whether someone else will benefit also, or even benefit more. (The best business models are usually those which deliver more value to the customer than the seller!)
Some of the above may sound horrifying to you. It should, but it doesn't come across that way when presented in an upbeat manner, with lots of good jokes and self-deprecating humor. And, of course, the facts I'm presenting here were buried under all the other positive things you will be told: Descriptions of things we'd want, how Quixtar gives you (allegedly) time + income + security, what a franchise is, etc. If you want to hear all that, go to the meeting and focus on that.
But of course, it's the negative details which make or break a business, isn't it? The value of an offer is not found only in the positives, but by weighing those against the negatives.
(I wonder how the audience would have reacted if I'd stood up and mentioned a non-Quixtar member was at least 20 times more likely to become a millionaire than a Quixtar IBO.)
Anyway, there was another meeting afterwards which was focused more on making the IBOs "core", which meant keeping them going to all the functions and buying all the books and tapes. (I estimate a Quixtar IBO pays out about $2000 to $3000 annually in business-related costs. At a minimum.)
And of course, there was the check-showing. After asking us to "feel" how it would feel to have $20,000 cash, to think of how it would be for us, the evening's speaker pulled out and waved around a check he had which was allegedly for $20,000. Then told the audience to follow "the system".
(Awaken desire (puts audience in "receptive" state), portray speaker as having object of desire, cause audience to associate desired object with speaker's advice about following "the system", signing up more and more people, buying tapes and learning materials. Standard Girardian mimetics.)
But I wonder: Was that check gross or net? Did he have to pay his downlines out of it? And how much will remain after expenses? These answers weren't readily forthcoming.
It was an interesting experience. Mostly oriented around visualising "dreams" (material things, of course, not things of true value), awakening materialistic desire, portraying the objective at hand (becoming an IBO, become "core") as the answer to that. Pretty simple.
And pretty against my understanding of Christianity: We're not supposed to have our "eye", our "focus", our "treasure" here on earth. Not that there's anything wrong with needing or enjoying material things, which God "supplies richly". But in our vision "the kingdom of God" should always rank above material things in our hearts.
Instead, this was a process by which people were deprogrammed from their (sensible!) deprecations against extraordinary luxuries, and that greed enlisted to conscript the listener into the desired behavior.
Each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. (James 1:14)
It was definitely not okay to be satisified with one's current lot in life. The speaker said something close to: "You will meet people who will say 'Money's not everything in life'. People say that secondhand. They have never been rich. [I.e. for them it's an excuse!] All I want is the chance to try it firsthand."
So it's not legitimate to be satisfied if you're not wealthy! This is 100% against what I've learned in church, about our satisfaction not being in our circumstances. Instead, dreams are here portrayed as things which are continually distant (and, bless Quixtar, "kept alive"!), and thus the horse is kept moving by keeping the carrot endlessly suspended in front of it.
Death and Destruction are never satisfied, and neither are the eyes of man. (Proverbs 27:20)
Whoever loves money never has money enough;
whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income.
This too is meaningless.
As goods increase,
so do those who consume them.
And what benefit are they to the owner
except to feast his eyes on them? (Ecclesiastes 5:10-11)
A former IBO observes this, too:
There is nothing wrong with having things. I'm not some saint who has decided to avoid all the trappings of material possessions in search of spirtitual enlightenment. However, what's the deal with Quixtar and getting STUFF? Time and time again I am left with the overwhelming impression that the biggest motivator for Quixtar IBOs is the quest for stuff.
We just got an email from someone who was sharing their "dream" for a super-nice, new, expensive luxury vehicle. Great! What other businesses do this? I mean really. Get more stuff. Get more stuff. Yuck.
My wife has pointed out that there is nothing wrong with getting stuff. She's also mentioned that Quixtar emphasizes family values and working to get free from bondage and the "dream building" is just a tangible way to motivate. Ok. To me that just sounds like a way to justify the quest for more stuff. No substance just stuff ....
When I dream I think, "In 5 years I'll have such and such skills and be able to do such and such in my business." I don't think, "in 5 years I'll own a Lexus." To me that seems to be a distraction. Once I work really hard to get that Lexus then I've met my goal... then what? Then what Quixtar?
The answer is SPEND MORE TIME WITH THE FAMILY. What person really, honestly and truly wants to just resign themselves from producing and spend all day globetrotting with the family? There are almost no self-made millionaires that sit around and "enjoy" their time. They have goals and those goals are to produce, not aquire cars. The aquisition is just the gravy.
Look, if you've read this far you'll know I don't really know what I'm talking about but I do know that something just seems very wrong about wanting to get all this stuff. It just seems wrong wrong wrong. Again, maybe I'm just a naive underachiever.
No, maybe you're just a person with a sense of perspective.
"See, he is puffed up;
his desires are not upright-
but the righteous will live by his faith...
indeed, wine betrays him;
he is arrogant and never at rest.
Because he is as greedy as the grave
and like death is never satisfied,
he gathers to himself all the nations
and takes captive all the peoples.
"Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying,
"'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
and makes himself wealthy by extortion!
How long must this go on?' (Habakkuk 2:4-6)
One final observation:
My would-be "grandsponsor" swore to me that she only spent 8-10 hours a week doing this. She spent easily 3 hours talking to me, and said she talks to 6 other people each week. This meeting ran 8-11pm, easily (I jettisoned at 10:30) -- that's six hours. I didn't see her talking to any other would-be IBO's at this meeting. And she and my sponsor supposedly talk every day. At 15 minutes a day that's still two more hours a week! (Total now: 8 hours) Much less any other downlines she might have!
So how is she doing six more plan showings in the other 0-2 hours?
Amen. This sounds exactly like a conversation I had with my upline last week. Excellent essay and well-written. I have rejected the system, and I am currently waiting for my IBO-ship to expire. In the meantime, I cannot in good conscience introduce this disease to anyone I know in good conscience. As far as sales go, I am a salesman of sorts, so it isn't fear of sales, as "Systemites" would have us believe. Rather, I suggest that the truly honest person cannot build this business in good conscience.
I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT, BUT IT WON'T BE EASY.
I AM CURRENTLY VERY PROUD TO BE AN ACTIVE IBO AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I READ THIS, BUT I DID A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, AND ITS BEEN PLAYING ON MY HEART TO COMMENT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I JUMPAROUND THE SUBJECTS.
FIRST YOUR WIFE SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND MORE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY DUSTED OFF SOME DREAMS AND GOALS SHE ONCE HAD. (SO I HOPE YOU HAVE DISCUSSED THESE AND FIGURED OUT ANOTHER WAY TO ACHIEVE THEM!) THE MATERIAL THINGS ARE MENTIONED A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE UNFORTUNATLY THAT'S THE WAY PEOPLE ARE THESE DAYS. I MEAN IF WE WERE TO SAY YOU CAN MAKE THOUSANDS A YEAR ON A PART TIME BASIS SO YOU CAN GIVE MORE TO CHARITY, NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET FIRED UP ABOUT THAT, WHEN MOST PEOPLE DO NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY ON THEIR JOB TO EVEN START A SAVINGS ACCOUNT!
AS PEOPLE GROW IN THE BUSINESS AND START TO SEE THAT THIS REALLY DOES WORK THERE DREAMS GROW BEYOND THINGS... GET MOMMY HOME WITH THE KIDS...PAY MEDICAL/ PRESCRIPTION BILLS FOR YOUR PARENTS....PAY OFF THEIR HOME.... BUY THE BUS FOR THE CHURCH.. THE LIST GOES ON.
AS FOR THIS BUSINESS BEING A 'LEGAL PYRAMID' THAT IS BULL!! THE ONLY WAY I CAN SHOW YOU IS BY AN EXAMPLE:
IF BY REMOTE CHANCE YOU DID CHANGE YOUR BUYING HABITS AND YOU GENERATED 300PV (AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THIS EXAMPLE THAT EQUATES TO 600BV ) THEN FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON JOE BLOW WANTS TO BE PART OF YOUR BUSINESS AND DOES THE SAME 300PV /600BVYOU WOULD BE AT 600PV/1200BV =9% INCOME BRACKET = $108..JOE BLOW IS AT 300PV/600BV = 6% INCOME BRACKET =$36... DEDUCT THE $36 FROM YOUR $108 THAT IS YOUR INCOME=$72.
BUT LETS TAKE ANOTHER STEP AS SOME SAID TO YOU HE WHO SPONSERS (WORKS!!!)GETS PAID THE MOST.....SO YOU SPONSERED JOE BLOW AND NOW YOU DO NOTHING, BUT JOE SPONSERS A:B:C:D:E AND F AND EVERY ONE DOES 300PV/600BV (INCLUDING YOU) SO THAT IS 8X300PV/600BV IN YOUR BUSINESS =2400PV/4800BV =15% INCOME BRACKET = $720... BUT JOE BLOW IS AT 7X 300PV/600BV = 2100PV/4200 BV = 15% INCOME BRACKET = $630 SO YOUR $720 LESS JOE'S $630 LEAVES YOU WITH $90 ( INCIDENTLY QUIXTAR DOES ALL THIS FOR YOU AND SENDS THE CHECKS TO EACH IBO SO YOUR QUIXTAR CHECK WOULD BE $90).
WHAT DOES JOE BLOW KEEP... WELL HE HAS 6 BUSINESSES @ 300PV/600BV = 6% INCOME BRACKET = $36 FOR EACH BUSINESS. SO 6X$36 =$216 TAKE THT FROM JOE'S $630 AND HIS QUIXTAR CHECK WOULD BE $414...SO EVEN IN THIS BABY STAGE BUSINESS HE WHO DID THE MOST WORK GOT THE MOST MONEY.
TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE IF JOE WENT ON TO BE A PLATINUM, YES THAT WOULD MAKE YOU PLATINUM, BUT AS YOU SAW BY THE EXAMPLE IF YOU DID NO MORE WORK YOUR MONEY WOULD NOT BE MUCH. JOE'S 6 LEGS GO PLATINUM THAT WOULD MAKE HIM A DIAMOND, BUT YOU WOULD STILL ONLY BE PLATINUM BECAUSE PLATINUM DEPENDS ON VOLUME, DIAMOND DEPENDS ON STRUCTURE.
FROM YOUR COMMENTS I TAKE IT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, SO I PUT TWO QUESTIONS TO YOU:
1. IS QUIXTAR RECOGNISED AS A LEGAL BUSINESS IN THE USA?
2. IF A BUSINESS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 40 YEARS ( AMWAY/QUIXTAR/BRITT WORLDWIDE) IS THIS AN INDICATION THAT IT MUST BE WORKING?
I BELIEVE THE INTELLIGENT ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS IS YES. I DO NOT THINK IT IS VERY CHRISTIAN OF YOU TO WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON THE WEB WHERE ANYONE CAN READ AND IN EFFECT PUT DOWN ANOTHER MANS WAY OF MAKING AN HONEST LIVING. TWO MORE THINGS THEN I'M DONE. IF YOU OPENED A REGULAR STORE SELLING GENERAL STUFF AT THE SAME PRICE OR CHEAPER THAN OTHER STORES, YOU WOULD EXPECT YOUR TRUE FRIENDS TO SHOP AT YOUR STORE WOULDN'T YOU? IF THE SITUATION WAS REVERSED, WOULD YOU SHOP AT YOUR FRIENDS STORE? THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. TRUTHLY IF YOU WERE A TRUE FRIEND AND YOU KNEW HOW TO MAKE EXTRA MONEY (OR HOW YOUR FRIEND COULD OPEN A STORE AND BE SUCCESSFUL) SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO NOT TELL THEM SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE THERE OWN CHOICES.
LASTLY, THE COMMENT YOU QUOTED ABOUT AFTER THE MEETING YOU WERE WARNED NOT TO SPEAK TO ANYONE ABOUT IT, WELL IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO AT OUR MEETINGS, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY SAY IT. SAY I HAD A SHARP COUPLE COME TO THE BUSINESS MEETING AND THEY GET REALLY EXCITED AND THEY SEE THIS AS AN ANSWER TO THEIR PRAYS. AS THE MEETING GOES ON THEY START TO THINK OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS THEY WANT TO SHOW THIS TO. I MEAN THEY HAVE THOUGHT OF MAYBE 30-40 PEOPLE. AT THE END OF THE MEETING THEY JUMP AND SAY TO ME "OH THANK YOU, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR, INFACT WE HAVE A COUPLE IN MIND WHO ARE OUR BEST FRIENDS IN THE WORLD WE DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER, INFACT WE ARE GOING AROUND TO THEIR HOUSE RIGHT NOW TO TELL THEM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN". I AM OF COURSE VERY EXCITED FOR THIS COUPLE AND WITH THE LIST OF NAMES THEY HAVE AND THERE EXCITEMENT THEY COULD REALLY MAKE IT IN THIS BUSINESS. WE SAY GOODNIGHT AND I NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN, WHY? BECAUSE UNBEKNOWN TO ME THEIR BEST FRIEND WAS Y O U ! IN YOUR SO CALLED CHRISTIAN WAY YOU WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO CONVINCE THEM IT WOULDN'T WORK. THUS BLOWING THERE CHANCES OF GETTING AHEAD AND POSSIBLY A LOT OF THEIR OTHER FRIENDS.
THIS DOES WORK, BUT Y O U HAVE TO WORK IT.
I have already "been that friend," Quentin, and it is a higher calling.
If one was not as well-informed about the reality of this business, one might assume that this making big bucks with a couple hours a week is possible and, in fact, that Quixtar is the beginning of "a new era in commerce." Sure, if it was all just that easy and simple, we would all be Bill Gates. The truth is, the deck is stacked against the American IBO, from saturation issues to tools, most people getting in the business now will not make the high pins.
Even more pressing is the issue of misinforming and even lying to prospects. In joining Quixtar, you have the opportunity to build business for yourself, and that opportunity, by itself, if used wisely, can lead to some limited (or rarely, large) profits. The issues of conflict of interest, lies, and misinformations (the famous AmQuix urban legends) are caused by "The System," which, by the law's definitions of pyramiding is illegal. Why would I want to sell this to a friend. If I could have Quixtar free from the unscrupulous profiteering of "the system," it would at least have some merits. As things stand now, it is neither moral nor really legal.
Why would any friend try to sell a friend on something immoral and illegal? If I can help someone avoid wasting the $40-$200 it takes to start this thing, I will. That is the job of real friends. Anyone can be a "Yes man," Quentin. It takes real character to tell someone the truth. While we're on the subject, I suppose it would make your life easier as an IBO if no one was allowed to seek counsel from friends and family. This business does seem to thrive on misinformation and half-truths. Do you really expect the prospects to wait until they've been fully indoctrinated to spread this pack of lies to their friends and families? You tell them to make the names list. You tell them to practice showing the plan. It's only a matter of time until someone tells them the truth.
Instead of setting yourself up as an AmQuix martyr, you might do well to re-evaluate your views. If your prospects/new IBO's are so easily led to leave the business, your sales pitch must be flawed/weak or what you sold them must be flawed. Instead of venting on people for speaking their minds, you might reexamine yourself and your wares.
Does AmQuix work? Yes, just not for those at the bottom. If you have a books and tapes empire to supplement your AmQuix income, and if you can use your downline to market your books and tapes, then AmQuix is an excellent business opportunity. Otherwise, don't give up your day job.
I would like to start by saying that Quentin is absolutly right and that I'm almost glad he responded to your comments, JOSH, before I could. Why? Simply because I would have had to force myself to be polite and understanding to you feelings and opinions about the quixtar business.
I am happy to anounce, that is no longer the case.
I can not be so kind in my words as my predecessor, Quentin.
A pyramid Josh? That is so origional, did you think that up all by yourself or did you hear it from some other loser who had no idea what he or she was talking about? Congradulatoins Josh! you just might be the single dumbest person on the face of this planet. The caliber of sheer stupidity coming from your only brain cell is stagering to say the least. Ignorance of your magnitude should be illeagle. You don't even deserve to be an American as far as I'm cocerned and you should be sent to korea for a while before you decide just how immoral this business is. And you call yourself a Christian? I think you're the antichrist. maybe you should visit the Ukraine where they throw you in prison being a christian, you flippin' cry-baby. Quick, go smoke some more crack before you develope any new brain cells you idiot
Interesting set of comments. Typically, I'd delete a comment like that belonging to "Dagwood" for being patently abusive, but think it might be instructive for other readers to see.
A pyramid Josh? That is so origional, did you think that up all by yourself or did you hear it from some other loser who had no idea what he or she was talking about?
Actually, Josh got that from my post: My would-be Quixtar uplink wrote "legal pyramid" down to describe the business when explaining; and at the Quixtar business meeting itself it was admitted Quixtar was a pyramid.
If such a thing is stupid or wrong, your invective should be levelled at the Quixtar IBOs who explained that to me when describing their business.
The caliber of sheer stupidity coming from your only brain cell is stagering to say the least. Ignorance of your magnitude should be illeagle.
Dagwood, when attacking someone's intelligence, and accusing them of having few brain cells, it's important to not mispell lots of easy wordslike "staggering", "illegal" and "develop" (to name just a few) in your put-down.
Unless, of course, you're actually deliberately trying to make them look good in comparison.
You are absolutely right,Tim. I did misspell a few words, and thank you for showing me that wordslike is all one word. To think, I've been putting a space in between them all this time. You were wrong about one thing however. I never said "few brain cells", for that is plural and would indicate more than one. What I actually said was, "only brain cell", which is singular and clearly indicates just one. When what I do is
attacked with comments and accusations like "immoral and illegal", I react. By attacking a business that I am involved in whith comments like those, you are attacking my character. Those accusations are slanderous and have no validity.
If the Quixtar business is illegal then how is it that it is still online? And why is costco not
illegal.
Dagwood,
Sorry about the typo.
What the various Quixtar/Amway "tool" companies do is currently not illegal in America, even though I understand most other first-world countries have banned such. But that's a dispute you've having with Josh, not me.
Aruging that something cannot be immoral just because it's still legal in a few countries is a fairly weak argument. There are all kinds of things which are legal, but which many people would find immoral or objectionable: adultery, lying, frivilous lawsuits, malicious gossip, etc.
As far as your character goes: It's possible for all kinds of people to do all kinds of harmful things without knowing. For example, a mother may feed her child "Brand X" infant formula, and later find out there was something harmful in it.
The issue of character only arises in cases where information has been presented. For example, if the mother kept feeding her child "Brand X" formula after hearing their were concerns, without researching the validity of those concerns, then she could be said to be a bad mom.
So, when one mom hears that "Brand X" formula has a problem, she could react by attacking the person who pointed to the possible problem, on the basis that it made her feel like she had been a bad mom, and it's wrong to make people feel bad about what they do.
Another mother might actually do some digging to see if the allegations were true, not kick herself because she knows was doing the best she could before she heard about the possible problem, and then decide according to what she finds.
Now, my grandparents made their fortune being Amway Distributers. My grandmother signed me up for Quixtar shortly before her passing. She was a great Christian lady and loved to make new friends and help people. That to me is what Quixtar does. It frees up time you could be spending with your kids. You basically change your buying habits so that you spend less by buying just what you need instead of all the impulse items they have near the cashiers in the stores. Plus, it gets delivered to your home. The IBO makes the profit from the merchandise they buy, not some company like Walmart.
Information is the line between wealth and poverty. The wealthiest people in the world are not the smartest, they just had the information they needed to become rich. There is nothing anti-religious about having wealth. Wealthy people spend time with their famalies and help people who need it. I believe that before slamming anyone's beliefs, hopes or dreams perhaps you should try it, get the information yourself and see whether or not it works. Quixtar works. It is exciting to think what it can do for you. Moms can stay home instead of working, then they get their merchadise delivered to their doors so they don't have to waste their time in stores, you've seen the screaming kids before haven't you? Listen to the tapes, read the books, dont' put a mind block up and just let yourself become excited about the opportunity. You may just find you are enjoying yourself, helping others and earning a great income in the process.
Interesting, the people can be so desperate for easy money that they cannot objectively look at the facts. I was open minded when I heard about Quixtar, I started looking into it with an open mind, and because of my open-mindedness, I was easily able to see that while legal, Quixtar is a giagantic waste of time. The company makes their money off of all the IBO's who buy tapes and attend seminars. The products are there to distract the IBOs into thinking there is actually money to be made.
easy money? Although you may think so, I know it does take work to excell at anything you want to do. It takes time before you start earning a serious income, and you have to put in a lot of work to get there.
As for products being there to distract, you do know you can get anything you can at the store from Quixtar, and you get paid to buy from yourself, and earn money on what others buy. I like the idea of getting paid to buy toothpaste from myself and have it shipped to my door. I'm planning on getting a new lawn mower this spring,,from Quixtar of course. I just dont' see how you think the products are there to distract the IBOs. They are there to help the IBOs. I know I'd rather shop that way than drive thru snow and slippery roads to get to a Walmart, try to find what I'm looking for and stand in line to pay someone for wasting my time with the profit. I'd much rather press a few buttons of make a phone call and pay a company for what I need at reduced prices, and have the items I want and a check show up at my door. Did you know you can even buy movies, electronice, appliances and basically everything but cars from Quixtar? Click,,Click,,Click,,,paycheck.
Hey, "emerald," I like your take on things. I remember a line from Proverbs (26:13, NKJV): "The lazy man says, 'There is a lion in the road! A fierce lion is in the streets!'" I guess you could substitute ice and snow as you see fit, emerald. Look, if you dupe enough people into buying "from themselves," you do come out ahead. Sure, you can work the formula and make money. So, what's the problem?
I take issue with you here: "The IBO makes the profit from the merchandise they buy, not some company like Walmart." Right, ace, you get a fraction of what you pay out on a product, and you call that profit? You're either hopelessly dumb or (much more likely) you're misrepresenting AmQuix as a buying club. "Buy from yourself and you make money." Dost doubt? Read rule 8.3.7 from the Business Reference Guide: "[IBO's] Must not say that a successful IB [Independent Business] can be built in the form of a 'wholesale buying club,' where the only products bought and sold are those tranferred to other IBOs for their personal use." I'm the only IBO I know of who obeys that rule, and it isn't because my upliners were honest with me; I have only found this out doing research on my own, while you sit here mimicking what your upline told you.
You are pretty brazen with your handle "emerald," sir, but you seem to be willfully ignorant of the rules and interested in spreading the wholesaling myth. You can't buy yourself into millionaire levels, or WalMart customers would be the richest in the world. After all, if you think you can get rich off rebates, how much more so could retail customers capitalize on rebates? The answer is obvious: it just makes no sense.
The only way to succeed at sales legally is to develop a customer base (Clients and Members), but you never hear that being preached by the AmQuix faithful. Maybe it's because "Motivational Materials" (overpriced tools, tapes, and seminars) don't sell to clients and members. Seems like a conflict of interest...what do you think?
Josh,
Goodness, never thought a screename could get anyone aggrivated. I am not a Sir, and I have used emerald for a screename for years, nothing to do with anything butr being my favorite stone.
Never said wholesale buying club. And yes we do pitch members and clients because it saves a whole heck of a lot of time having what you need delivered to your door than spending so much time rounding up products and waiting in line to pay for them. Members get the discounts that we do, they just dont' get any money back for what they buy. Clients pay full retail prices for whatever they buy. I personally have both because even if someone isn't interrested in being an IBO they can still reap the benefits of ordering what they need online or by phone.
Another thing, why be upset with anyone, expecially soneone else in your same business? I think you just need to lighten up. And for motivational materials, you don't have to buy them, and if you have a really good upline they will lend you whatever you want. I have listened to many tapes, and read books that I've never paid for. I've also bought the books at discount book stores because I believe that they can help. Or, if your really looking for a cheap way to get tapes and such ebay is stocked very well. I do plan on buying materials from my upline, but only when I need to. Ohh, and the seminars are also voulentary, and have a money back guarantee. So if you got absolutly nothing from them and find them to be a total waste of time, (although pretty impossible) you can get your money back. No worries there.
One last thing, Walmart customers can not get rebates on every item they buy. I've never seen a toothpaste rebate, but I get money back when I buy toothpaste. So your Walmart arguement makes no sence at all.
I personally think that quixtar could be a potential website to invest in. After you deduct all of your time and efforts into getting other people under you, that is your N.I. C'mon people stop fooling your self, this whole this is a big Joke. The IBO's are the individuals that keep quixtar in business!
Well, no use trying to help people who won't take a chance to help themselves. Basically, it works, it can work for almost anyone, and the people who say it won't either have never done it, or didn't work hard at it. It is also a great time-saver because everything comes to your home, no more dragging kids through the stores and dealing with little fits along the way. There are many who will say bad things about the company, but they'll still be broke at 65 while we'll all be sitting pretty because we believe in what we have.
I love the Quixtar debate: participants talk at cross-purposes.
Those with concerns -- some who have been IBOs, and some who have just been potential signups -- discuss the sales tactics, intrinsic ethics, and the average expected return on investment.
Quixtar marketers, on the other hand, tend to engage in personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them ("you never tried / you were incompetant / you are afraid to try / you must be bitter") and state, sort of mindlessly, "this can work!" while repeating standard Quixtar marketing points.
Which is sort of funny because they're missing the fact that none of the detractors claim it can't work: it certainly can. Yet whether it's possible for a small number of participants to recoup their investment is quite beside the point, and is almost always a change of topic from the discussion at hand, and a refutation of a point not argued. A straw man.
Whether this is an accidental cognition slip, or a deliberate form of blindness, perhaps related to the need to market,I leave to the reader to decide.
I have just attended a few of these Quixtar meeting and am trying to be neutral here. Our biggest problem is that when comparing the prices of Quixtar with name brand products, the Quixtar prices are not just a little higher but alot higher. Being a young married couple we buy odd-lots, clip coupons, and buy generic. This with the fact that 100pv is close to 300 bucks a month looks like a huge jump from our tight monthly budget. I was also kind of turned off with the speaker talking about dreams of fancy cars and rich houses. I love my truck that I drive around now and the house that I live in. I think not having millions makes my faith in God stronger as we depend on him to provide for us. My dreams are more of a God-fearing family and a work ethic that can be passed on to my children. I was kind of frustrated when the guy was trying to push the fact that this is christian organization. I would be willing to give this thing a chance and help the friend that invited me if I could get some positives about this type of a system. I would appreciate any thoughts for or against this system.
I agree with you matt. I had a friend approach me about this and I would love to help, but I have heard a lot of bad things about the company that make me nervous to start up. I would be willing to work at this, but I don't want to be taken advantage of here because I am a college student who wants to make some extra money to help pay for college. I would appreciate any information that anyone has to help me in my decision making.
Tom
Tom, I think many of us have been where you are, trying to survive working and going to school at the same time, hoping the paychecks can cover the tuition, books, and food. If you're at that point right now, don't join Quixtar.
Can it work? Yes. Are the odds of it working for you good? Not at all. The second question is the bigger concern in your situation. There's a small margin of error on a tight budget, and you will most likely be encouraged by your "Support Team" to spend money not only buying product, but going to conferences and "tools" (motivational material). Do what you will, but I would caution against it.
I have read through both the positive and negative comments about Quixtar. I am a Quixtar IBO and I just want to be honest with everyone here. First off, I believe that there is no need to make personal attacks on anyone for their opinions, either positive or negative about Quixtar. This business does in fact work and Quixtar is an awesome company to be in business with. Are the products expensive? Some are more than your discount stores, other products are less expensive. You have to remember, Quixtar is not a wholesale warehouse or flea market! Quixtar offers the best products on the market and nothing less and they back that up with a 100% money back guarantee on everything! As far as the ethics and/or morals in this business. There are millions of IBO's out there, isn't it safe to say that there may be some IBO's who lack some of the Christian morals that we feel are so important? I wish that were not the case, but there are some people in this business who are less than honest. What has Quixtar done for me? It has completely changed my marriage because my wife and I have a common dream to shoot for. My upline has become by far my best friend, my business mentor and my spiritual mentor. Everything that my upline teaches lines up with what my pastor teaches and obviously with scripture. I have been involved with Quixtar for just over 3 years and I have never been taught to lie about the opportunity. We do show a 2-5 year plan and that is a very doable plan, but we also explain that there are few people who reach Diamond in 2-5 years. No one, in my opinion, has the right to talk negatively about Quixtar because they are an awesome company and they do everything that they can to give us a better opportunity. The challenge here is the systems that are out there, and there are many. I am involved in one of the larger teaching systems in Quixtar and it is the best place I could ever hope to be. It hurts me to hear comments about Quixtar being illegal, unethical or non-Christian because from my experience that is 100% untrue. In the past I experienced some tough financial challenges, but my upline was there to guide me and show me how I could resolve those challenges. He could direct me simply because he had overcome some of the same challenges in the past, (before being involved with Quixtar). That is the value of a mentor. Personally I recommend buying the books and tapes and attending the functions because they can and will change your life. Someone mentioned spending $2-$3k per year on their business and honestly that is possible. Try finding another business out there that can be ran on $2-$3k per year? For that investment you learn more about life, marriage, parenting, leadership and spirituality than anywhere else. What about these motivational speakers charging $2k-$5 for a weekend seminar? Doesn't that seem ridiculous? And after the weekend you have to find some way to apply what you've learned. I love this business and I thank God for the friendships I now have because of it. If you have had negative experiences with it, I'm sorry to hear that and you may have every right to be upset, but please don't judge the entire business based on your upline's mistakes. The biggest challenge with this business is that we are working with people and people make mistakes. I don't try to talk people into this business but I do try to show them what it trully is because it is the best thing that I have found. When I show the plan to someone I am simply sharing an opportunity. Anyway, if you are researching this business, base it on your sponsor and their upline, not on the negative comments you find online. The negative comments that you read online are from people who were not properly led into this business. It will take some time, but the work involved is sharing an opportunity with others, and it may take some financial investment, but if you really dig into the books that are recommended you will change many areas of you life for the better.
If you are looking for an opportunity to work hard at something that has the potential to pay off in ways more than just financial. DO IT. If this approached you and you are not the type of person that can approach people and get 10 or more no's for every 1 yes, then politely turn away. Because all BS aside it takes alot of work, although true you can make $XXXX money per month in 9 months, it's not likely. It takes time, dedication, patience, faith and many other qualities to make this succeed. You are building a business not buying one. Rome wasn't built overnight, but they worked on it every day. By all means step outside of your comfort zone and do as your upline recommends. But don't blindly go too far, keep yourself in check, if you need tools buy them, if you don't need or can't afford tools don't buy them. (pretty simple) I enjoy the company of people that are in the business, they are positive people with dreams. As are you, or you wouldn't have been open to exposing yourself to the opportunity. Some people, in fact most people, will be unsuccessfull at this. But I don't look down upon the opportunity, i feel fortunate that I was able to experience another thing in life. Literally 99.9% of the people that attempt this venture will not become financially independent. Nobody but yourself can tell if you are part of the .1% that will be successfull at it. So what you spent a few hundred bucks to start, thats only a pair of jeans and shoes that you will wear out by years end. A lot of the tapes are just generic motivational tapes trying to foster a little success in you. When I listen to some of the tapes it makes me feel good about myself, makes me more productive at work, makes me appreciate the things I already have in life. The books are books that you would buy at Amazon or Barnes and Noble. Books to help you personally develop into a more successfull person regardless of how you measure success. You can't critisize that. Anthony Robins charges people thousands of dollars to help motivate them. So $6 for a motivational tape is not that much, if it works. But you have to want to be motivated, cause listening to all the tapes in the world won't help you if you don't want to help yourself... Some people in life are go-getters, some people aren't. If you aren't and don't desire to become one then I recommend turning it down. Some people have asked how can this continue because eventually you will run out of people to sign up and the people at the bottom will get screwed... This business has been around for a long time. And there will still be plans being shown long after I'm dead and I'm only 28. Again, that .1% of people that are successfull at it will not be able to keep up with the population increases. This will be around. If your going to ger in, now is the time. I'd say bust ass for 12 months then re-evaluate. You'll know if it's for you or not then. Previous post said you are 20 times more likely to become a millionaire doing something else. Could be true, but very few people became millionaires without taking some risk. And that's what this is... an opportunity with some risk. What you do with it is up to you not the people who could or couldn't make it work. Wow, its getting late.... takes awhile to read all these posts.... later..
I just want to say first off that I completely agree with Josh, that nobody with a conscience would introduce this cancer known as Scamway to a hard-working person. Hey, cigarettes are legal, but are they good for you? Yeah, Scamway/Quixtar definitely know how to stir up greed in people. I too have been to one of these meetings, and I find it sad that such brainwashed Scamway reps would knowingly try to entice innocent people into joining their cultish pyramid-scheme. Tom, a word of advice: don't fall for their hollow promises, which they cannot back up. Tim, you speak the truth, man. You don't need to be a greedy slave to Scamway to be happy. I am happy even though I am not a millionaire, and I intend to stay that way. Greed has a price and Quixtar may be legal, unfortunately, but it will never be honest.
Quixtar is not a pyramid scam. Pyramids are where the person above you makes a whole lot more money than you. Quixtar pays you based on your performance. If you don't perform, you don't get paid. To me its just another job with much better opportunity.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have a better life than you have ans striving for it. It is very biblical to dream.
I personally don't want to live on the US Dept. o fLabor's 45 year plan, retire at 75, and try to live off of less than 1/3rd of what I made my entire life, if there is any way to retire by that point.
The world is changing and people have to change with it. I'm following the principles of people who have made it, doing everyting I can to keep on their path and doing quite well. If I had never found Quixtar I would be making a little money having a job, but never having the opportunity to reach what we are now.
Life is what you do with it, I plan on spending my time with family and friends, living a satisfied life and not being a poor old woman counting pennies to buy milk. That is where society is leading everyone, and personally I think badmouthing something without giving your all to it for at least a year is foolish. You never know what you can achieve if you don't try.
As far as telling people to avoid it, they told Columbus he was foolish and the earth is flat. What would have happened if everyone thought that way?
Tracy,
The Quixtar analogy shouldn't be compared to Columbus. It sould be compared to basic economics. Quixtar does not take into regard the concepts of supply, demand and (most importatnly) SATURATION. Go ahead, read a book and get back to me.
Anyone with a BSc in Business has more business savvy than your average IBO. That's why so many people in Quixtar are not degreed in Business.
Does anyone else find any irony in that?
hey brad, i have done my mba and i like quixtar concepts, as a buisness major i think i love there idea, try it get out from your box, dont be lazy take a risk which means your waste time, when you lay on your couch.
All you negative people make me laugh!!! DO you relized that you work for a living? Do you relaize that you work for SOMEBODY? Do you realize you will not make more than your boss in the "position" you are at? Will your boss ever make mmore than his boss? Will anyone make more than the owner, president, or CEO of the company YOU WORK for as an emplyoee? I didn't think so.
Let me ask you this, why does a muti-billionaire like Robert Kiyosaki whom wrote New Yorks best selling book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" talk nothing but great things about Quixtar, Amway, Etc. The reason he does, is because he like that we are being shown how to become business owners, not sales peolpe. You will never get ahead in the E-Quadrant which is the emplyees status, or the S-Quad which is the sel-employeed people. They make a lot of money, but thier time belongs to someone else, and their is no gurantee that you have a job or brick and mortar business the very next day.
I wish these thumb-sucking negative weenies would get out of their pitty party and do something in life to help themselves and families instead of sucking the life out of positive go-getters that want the best for their families, and other families with this great opportunity from Quixtar.
Negative people are the bucket of crabs analogy. Have you ever seen a bucket of crabs that are miserable in eachothers company because they are confined, restricted, limited, have no FREEDOM? Then one day 1-crab out of 20 or 40 crabs looks up and sees opportunity when he sees the sky and the light, where there are no limits, the crab heads way for the top of th bucket and just as the crab reaches the top and sees and smells freedom...the crabs below reach up and grabs the crab that wants better than the ugly situation its in down there and pulls him right back into the misery.
Anyone who is reading this, put yourself in that crabs position, do you want life to pass you by and take you down, when you want to live life to its fullest for the better of yourself and your family ? Are you Man or woman enough to do what ever it takes to give your family and yourself your freedom?
JOHN-Silver in Quixtar
I respond to John's comments here.
When I compared Quixtar to Columbus it was an idea against an idea. Quixtar is an investment in your future. No, you will not make tons of money right away. Yes, you will struggle getting used to the ideas of buying from yourself and have trouble with the money side of it. It takes a couple years for your Quixtar business to get running, and it takes a lot of work and commitment to do so. It is not a get rich quick program, or an easy way to money. I have seen it make major differences in people's lives. I have also seen people get so discouraged at how much spent with Quixtar. The major advantage of an hourly position to Quixtar is that you are guaranteed to get money for the time you put into it. With Quixtar it takes a very long time for some people to notice any kind of income off of Quixtar.
The great thing about it is that if done correctly you will have a passive residual income flowing in for the rest of your life. But in order to do so you must convince others to struggle for a while to have a plan for the future. Nothing is guaranteed, but the program can work for anyone if followed by a committed person for a period of time.
Why bother nit-picking people's opinions and ideals? How do you really know what it is like unless you dedicate a few years to Quixtar and see where it gets you. There will be plenty of frustration but there is also hope and payoff in the end if you work for it.
I again admit that my first check was only $10.60, and that I did spend $350 the month prior. But, it will change. The numbers change with your sucesses. The more people you get on your team working on the same goals as you the more you end up making. I really don't want to be rich, thats not why I joined Quixtar. I also knew that it wasn't a fast track to wealth. I just want to be able to pay our bills and eventually buy a nice house. Our friends went through it, I watched them struggle for 3 years, but now they are bringing in $3000 a month from Quixtar, which isn't that much for some but for us and htem that is a big step up.
I know it works, I know it is hard work, frustrating and takes a long time. I'm willing to work for my dreams. If anyone does decide to join Quixtar know that it is a good business, but make up your own mind. Ohh, and if you are like me and need a support system you may think about joining the Team of Destiny. That way you'll always have someone to call when you get frustrated, and also have people working with you to build your team and help you achieve your goals and dreams.
Good luck to all, and don't take advice from people who haven't been where you are, they just may make it worse.
Greetings Tracy!
I appreciate your input, and don't take issue with many of the things you say. I think you have written one of the most candid and honest pro-Quixtar posts I've seen in quite a while, and I commend you for it.
But there is one thing which I must take issue with:
...the program can work for anyone if followed by a committed person for a period of time.
Actually, this is not true.
And you don't have to have ten years' experience in Quixtar to see why, or prove it.
Consider a town with a hundred people. Let's also make the very pro-Quixtar assumption that all of them would be interested in Quixtar.
Can "all" of them make money from "the plan"? Of course not. The first person in might do pretty well -- perhaps she'll convince 6 people. And the next round of presentations give us 36 new converts, 43 Quixtar IBOs total. Now when those next 36 start to show the plan to the remaining 57, what happens? Each of them will sign up an average of 1.6 people. And those last people -- those 57? No matter how they try, they'll have nobody to preach to.
So how many downlines are created in this scenario? We've got one lucky woman who generated 99 people below her with comparatively little effort on her part. (Her true story will be told many times!) But the average number of downlines for everbody else is something like 1.6, with the majority having none -- no matter how hard they try.
In this scenario, the reason so many fail is because it's built into the system: those at that top make their money off those on the bottom who are "struggling" and "buying from yourself", as Tracy describes.
If one IBO tries much harder and gains more downlines, they have done it at the expense of another IBO. If everyone tries 50% harder, nothing changes.
You can plainly see what I'm saying is true in the simple scenario I've described. But there are, admittedly, a few differences between that and real life. Does those invalidate what I'm saying?
One difference is that in the real world, not everyone is interested in Quixtar. So we don't have a town with 100 people -- instead, we have a town with 1,000 or 5,000 people, of which 100 will ever, under any scenario, be interested in Quixtar.
Strangely, this situation works in in favor of the "winner IBOs" at the top -- and, paradoxically, the less interest in Quixtar, the better!
Why?
Consider our hypothetical town again: If all of the 57 remaining people were invited to the town Quixtar business meeting and shown the plan, would they be likely to sign up?
No! They'd notice the whole town was there already! But if there were 5,000 people, but only 100 open to Quixtar, then it creates the appearance of a huge field waiting to be tilled and harvested. It also keeps IBOs in longer, as they re-market to those who remain who've already heard the spiel, or heard this all happened before under the name "Amway" (which -- please note! -- eventually collapsed, as this will too).
The second factor is that there are other towns. Yes, of course, but it doesn't change the way the scenario works. The analysis I give -- that failure is built into the system, and those who succeed will do so at the expense of those who will not -- is true if there are only 100 potential Quixtar IBOs or 100 million.
The only impact is that if there are more people available, there will be a few, even more spectacular "winners" with lots of downlines, and many, many more "losers" with none, and that it will take a lot longer for everybody to figure it out. The bigger the population, the larger the disparity between winners and losers.
And the longer it takes the loser IBOs to figure that out. Which also works to the favor of the winners -- the longer they can keep the people on the bottom in and self-purchasing, the better it works out for them. A slow learning curve is essential to keeping this going.
That's why there is so much emphasis on "keeping the dream alive" and support groups, as Tracy describes -- a slow learning curve, and higher retention rate, favors maximal profits for those at the top. It's all about the economic model, and the sooner you snap out of it, the better it will be for you, and the worse for them.
Okay, there's one more factor remaining: In real life, new people are born all the time. Does this change what I'm saying?
No. Consider the hypothetical town of 100 again.
In the US, the growth rate is about 1%. That means each each year, the town population will grow by about 1%, i.e add one person. Others will die and be replaced by an equal number of children, but we only see one new person per year.
Needless to say, that's not a huge help again. It means there's about 3 IBOs dying every year, and about 4 kids turning 18, and 97 remaining IBOs fighting over those four new kids. That's not enough to make "the plan" keep working for those last 57 converts who will have no IBOs beneath them.
But remember that in real life, not everyone was interested -- so say there's 100 people in a town of 5000. Then 3 IBOs die every year, and there are about 200 new people to "show the plan" to!
But remember, in this scenario, we assume only 1 in 50 people will be interested in Quixar... (100 out of 5000), so out of those 200, only 1 in 50 can be converted -- again, that puts us back to 4 new converts among the 57 IBOs!
But, boy, will that "keep the dream" alive! Many more plan showings will have to be done to locate those 4 people! And, to the 57 hopeful, it looks like they've got a lot more potential converts waiting out there!
But, in the end, none of these factors change the core facts: The "winner" IBOs still "win" at the expense of the many more "loser IBOs"; a loser IBO can only become a winner IBO by making life harder for yet another IBOs somewhere else.
And life gets harder for each new person you sign up, since there are few remaining. They will never have it as good as you do.
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I have never been involved in this business. I still refuse to call it a business, it looks more like a cult and has all the characteristics of a cult. Amway/Quixtar is nothing but a cancer, I have seen what it has done to people. It will destoy you physically, emotionally, mentally, financially, spiritually and socially. Stay away.
I couldn't agree more marc! I can see that you've came in contact with an IBO! actually i just found out that a long time neighbor of my grandparents became involved in "the business" sometime back and it destroyed them in all the same ways you mentioned but for awile when they where involved and belived it was there life like must ibos they approached my grandparents to join and when they refused didn't speak to them for 2 yrs till their world fell apart due to quixtar!! so i must stress to everyone..stay away!!
I have learned something from reading through all this. Quixtar people seem to go off the deep-end when they are questioned. Thank you everyone for all your responses it has enlighted me.
God bless,
Scott.
My friends have recently come over and pitched Quixtar to us. I am afraid I will lose them as friends becuase I am going to have to turn them down. When you have a business there should be an actual product. I asked my friend what is the actual business of Quixtar - is it recruiting more people or the website? His response to me was "What do you mean?" He didn't understand my question becuase the real business is recruiting other IBO's and selling them the tapes, conferences, etc - not promoting the website.
I took a look at the website and did some price comparsions - I looked at washer/dryers and compared them to Sears - Sears was actually cheaper (By $100) So there doesn't seem to be any discounts or benefits by going through Quixtar.
There are posts about how you are working for somebody else who is making money off of you. You will never be as rich as your boss. Please remember that Quixtar is a business and the 2 guys who started it are making money off of you. They are making more money then the average company becuase they don't have to pay out payroll taxes or benefits becuase everyone is an "independent contractor". You will never be as rich as the owners of Quixtar.
There are claims that people don't work hard and thats why Quixtar does not or will not work for them, but isn't one of the claims? That you only have to put in 8-10 hours a week? Aren't you suppose to make tons of money with out working hard? Isn't that the point?
I did some research on the internet for Quixtar, I found a lot of sites with people who lost a lot with Quixtar - but still can't find one with the success stories. There are no claims that I made money with Quixtar. Where are the people who got to quit their jobs and are now living the life of luxury? I would like to hear from these people. (And I'm talking about the people who are next to you at a meeting, not the ones who are holding the meeting)
I like to look at the numbers - becuase the numbers don't lie. (I got these numbers from one of the webistes I found on Quixtar) Quixtar has $7 billion in Sales and 3 million IBO's. If you do the math - that makes the average Sales of each IBO - $2,333.33 (yearly). Those aren't good numbers, so if one IBO is making $250K a year - then a lot of other IBO's are not making any money at all. And these numbers are sales - not profit.
If you go into this, go in with your eyes open.
Quixtar is an opportunity for people who seem to be more influnced by their greed- call it dreams and are willing to go to any lengths to achieve it.
As an IBO my friends have become distant as I am seen more as a PV BV machine. The gist taught is one is not your friend if he is not contributing to your PV's or sharing your greed.I have heard diamonds saying that .
Other thing is that there is shipping cost involved which comes out to be quite high, so apparenly quixtar is making money off shipping also. Also they say that out of 3.1 billion sale , 996 million have been paid to ibo's that comes to less than 30 %, whereas you go to meetings and you are told that 70% differnce between retail and wholesale will be distributed.
To those who are considering being an IBO. I signed up about 5 months ago. It was a cheap investment to get a third income (my salary and my wife's salary) We thought that the income would be saved and start an education fund for our two young boys (5 and 2 yrs old). Now we aren't getting rich by any strech but we are getting 80-100 dollar checks right now and it's been going up every month. And all we have to do is change my shopping from the Sam's club to Online shopping and tell some friends about it. That's it...They didn't ask me to change religion or say I have to buy CDs. I read all these negative things about it and don't see why it's SO BAD in everyone's mind. Well it works for my family. And here's some points that don't have anything to do with money. Me and My wife are enjoying spending time talking about our biz together. We're having fun again. (instead of talking about Credit Card spending). We also are spending time with our closest friends again (they signed up) and any work we establish now I can leave to my kids in the future. Knowing I'm working to leave them something that COULD be worth something is worth the effort. and Talking to people about it isn't much effort. Also, I will NOT lose any friends who Don't sign up. If they don't want in then that's fine with me. So my advice is to TRY it for a year. If it doesn't work for you then don't renew. Each month I see it more clearly. I think you will too.
Buddy
PS- I live in Philly with alot of people- this plan won't work as fast if you live in place where your nearest neighbor is 12 miles away. (just being truthful)
but life at the bottom of the quixtar pile isnt so bad. I buy stuff, the quality is good, the price is ok, the convenience is nice. It doesnt bother me that somebody is making money off my purchases any more than it bothers me when I go to walmart and sams family makes money (not to mention the dozen or so other people along the line. whats all the big deal?
Hey, Quixtar has some good products. If Quixtar were just about buying some products online, I think most people wouldn't have a problem -- nobody posts here complaining about how evil Amazon.com was because they bought all their books there.
If you view Quixtar as a way to spend money, you're probably thinking about in a healthy way. The problem only comes, for most critics, when you bring "the plan" into the picture, and start saying this is a fantastic way to make money...
Which it is not...
I spent a year in Quixtar.
I went 1000 PV in a month. I bought that pin, 400 PV worth as upline told me it will impress the team and more people will go forward.
I spent (read LOST) 1000 K /month for 9 months. Here is the math:
Sure, some products are good. I won’t compare them with other name brands. One thing I know, in my self consumption of 300 PV, I was spending $650 extra. Here’s the math.
300 PV = 300 * 2.5 = $750
Redirection saving from wal-mart = $100
Extra money spent on products every month
= $750 - $100 = $650
Retail, what retail? We were sponsored by saying that "there is no sale! Just buy for yourself and tell others to do the same". Retail was scorned in every quest by saying that it will not be a repeat business.
Even if you do the recommended retail of 50 PV using client cost it will be:
Retail Revenue = 50 * 3 = 150
I am using $3 / PV as it's client cost.
Extra money spent = $650 - $150 = $500
Good lucks selling Quixtar items at client cost! It's hard enough to sell at IBO cost!
"System" Cost:
$60 Tapes + $24 opens + $200 seminars (cost of going, hotel, seminar in US, there is one every 2nd month costing $400 / seminar AT LEAST, so per month is $200) + $30 Kate + $10 website
= $324.
So it comes approximately $900ish (I'm in Canada) for just the system cost, add fuel and eating out when showing the plan and it crosses $1000.
Here is my problem: Did any one told you this is the cost of the system?
10-15 hours: My ass!
Are diamonds free? A median income of a diamond is no more than 90K!!!(not a new qualified diamond. many diamonds are not currently qualified, do some research, morons, some one who become a diamond is always called a diamond, other wise his group will fall off, like I did 1500 PV, even if my PV is 100, I'll be always recognized as 1500 PV, rather 1500 going 2500)
90K! Husband and wife working, my ass! I am 26 year old and I make 45 K alone, and I thing I am very underpaid :) In my last job I was making 54 K. When I’ll get married, and my wife chooses to work, do the math! I'm there.
Diamonds do work there ass off, more than 40 hours a week! They woke up at 10 AM alright; they go to bed at 3! All those night owls and Kate etc.
In a conference, there are 20 Millionaires in 30K ppl. Its 0.06%. Outside than building, 4-6 Households in North America are already Millionaires, where are you better off?
Quixtar, is, I'm sorry to say, is for Morons. I admit I made a mistake, but I learned my lesson.
99% of IBOs will NEVER go diamond, you know your chances? 50% or more quite first year, 50% of the remaining also quit 2nd year.
At a give time, a whole diamond team is a negative pyramid. i.e. Ppl are spending money and diamonds are making money from that money. Plus travel cost. So who group, as a whole, is loosing money. Because retail is so less!! Good luck retailing these overpriced products!
Bottom line is: Quixtar is suffering from a slow death. At least in North America. Amway sales in 1997 were 7B. Quixtar is 4.5B. D'oh!!!
March was their highest sales month, really! If you increase the prices of your products 10-15% every year, loyal brainwashed customers will continue to buy it and your profit will increase. What an accomplishment!
Quixtar IS a scam. Nothing else. Do some research all IBOs. Give time to ur family, and keep ur hard earned money.
Well I don't know what you were buying,but I changed about 12 things I shopped for(coffee-Paper products- detergent ect,,) and I hit my 100PV at a cost around 260 a month (Sam as I would at Sams).. I bought 4 CDs at 8$ and I went to 6 meetings (no Cost) and one big meeting($5 to get into that)....
Buddy
It was NOT what I was buying. CORE step: Do 300 PV. 40 PV ok 100 PV I might consume, rest 200 PV?? Try being a core and not doing 300 PV. You won't be a core. 100 PV is ok for family. 300 PV....unless family has a 1000 extra and are dying to waste it. Please share your cart if you want to.
you go to meeting waaaay cheap! which LOS u r in? 100 PV is for beginners man. And let me tell u a secret, ur sponsor would be paying for you.
4 CDs and $8 each? that's fine. In Canada it is $10. if at a whole, which LOS?
I was in Britt World Wide.
I'm in the Billy Florence LOS...I've never been asked to do anything other then get my 100 pv and show the plan...Oh by the way...I'm going to get a check for about 300 this month. (Half is refund check and half is bonus from my downline...I bought extra last month to send protein bars,wipes, enery drinks and stuff to my nephew in Iraq. ) Well worth it and I know Sams or Wal-Mart wouldn't send me a check for buying extra :) I just think it works !!
Buddy
Opinions can re-direct someones decisions. Ask yourself this what other business out there can let you run your own for about $4/month. And if your not satisfy with it your money back in a period not to excees 180 days. The way I see it any opportunity comes across me and makes the slightest sence I take it. You will never know until you try it yourself. Iam a new IBO and I just got my first check for $7.50 for just buying energy drinks and everyday use products and I admit the prices are competable to major stores. I usually spend $300/ month at bestbuy and walmart, but just changing my buying habit and puting that money towards my business saved me about $29.50 plus I got the check for 7.50. This business pays you on your performance and teaching others how to do the same. Any business comes with risks, infact almost 98% of businesses fail their first two years. It coul billions in loss or millions, thousands only the risk is not so great here. Thats what I saw. The $7.50 check might not be much, but it was motivation towards my success. My upline just went platnum in the business and it took him about 2yrs to get their. Honesty is the key to success. Please don't take this to heart Iam only expressing my opinion about the business. Anything can work if you believe in it and give it your best with honesty included. Thanks
Moe: Do whatever you want, please don't lie. As you say, honesty is the key!
Lie # 1: Any business comes with risks, infact almost 98% of businesses fail their first two years.
This is a lie my friend. Who said that? SBA denies it? http://tinyurl.com/4r2zr
Lie # 2: I usually spend $300/ month at bestbuy and walmart, but just changing my buying habit and puting that money towards my business saved me about $29.50
Prove it! Please put your shopping list ehre, i.e. what did you bough from Quixtar and I'll comapre it with wallmart. I could bet a paycheck I can find it MUCH cheaper. If this saving is from retail to IBO than you are being deceptive.
Again, best of luck, but please don't lie. Or at least lie smart :D
And buddy and all, wal-mart don't send cheque as they don't charge inflated prices either! I'm happy that way. Here is a comparison.
http://www.amquix.info/price_studies/julie_price_study.txt
Aziz, let mesay this to you . I have a proof that my upline sponser is making about $4800/month and somtimes even more. The thing is business is risky no matter how defensive you get about it. You'll need consumers in order to stay in business. Your missing the whole idea of this business. Why are you paying more at a quiktrip or Handimart than walmart? Because of conviniece plus Iam not saying every product that quixtar is supplying is cheap, I would be lying, but in most cases their competative plus it's your own convinience, few clicks and products at your door. I live in Iowa where it snows like crazy, now do you think I would drive 7-8 miles to get to walmart just to save about a doller? no. The beauty of this business is convinience and sometimes you'll have to pay a bit. I usually shop for energy products. Compare XS to redbull for example. I shop for simple stuff which some cases walmart or even bestbuy won't have. Colognes,XS drinks, etc. If you want to get technical about this compare the prices of cool water set cologne to walmart. I bet you quixtar is much cheaper. Ask for Bora Bora, Joop, American Idol, I bet you the don't have it and if they do it's much expensive.
Moe, my dear friend. So you have a proof that your upline make $$. ok, I'll accept that. But from where these money came from? Downline IBOs of course. 0 sum game. Nothing else. Of course there will be some expenses and it becomes a negative sum game. Besides, you have demonstrated that you are told myths like 98% business fail in first 2 year. Gosh! The one I heard was 95% in first 5 years, even that is much far from truth :)
Business is risky. Point?
Yes I need customers. If I self consume all of what I sell, I'd be out of business. Similarly if McD employee consume all the food? Sure it might be their own product, but they'll be out of business very soon. Quixtar stats: .23 customers / IBO. Even that included folks like me, ordered once in a year or so.
I live in Canada, talk about snow :) and eCommerce is Not Quixtar specific!! Delivery at home via catalogue shopping is a century old idea! Sears used to do it via catalogue shopping. Malls came after wards!!! So instead of driving 7-8 miles, go to wal-mart.com and order there :D If I had a nickel every time IBO start promoting eCommerce with Quixtar, I’ll be diamond :D Yes, eCommerce is good. Does that make Quixtar Viable, or --- non-scam thing? Is Quixtar the only one delivering items online? Why all ‘convenience’ credit goes to Quixtar only?
Products in Quixtar. Some products are great, yes! Quixtar got some unique products un-available from anywhere else. Agreed. As a customer, Quixtar is a great place to shop. Not for majority though, but for ppl like you who were already buy expensive products. Great!
But as a business owner, is it a viable business opportunity? You upline making $4800 from customers or ppl lured into promises of cars and freedom spending into expensive products? or money is coming from out to in or from bottom to top? Later = illegal pyramid, FTC says 70% sale. Former, all the best!
Follow the money trail, and decide yourself!
Btw It’s about to be kicked from England, and may be California.
Imran,
Buddy here.... Well since I last wrote in Sept. I have recieved checks of 84$ -362-and 343. Now i know that you can't save that much on a shopping list at Sams or wal-mart. You keep referring to the "shopping" it's not about shopping. It's about building a business. I know what you're going to say...but I was the VERY BOTTOM IBO at on point. I build it with people who want to try another way to make money to help ends meet. I don't promise Islands- cars - retirement, but I do show them that it's attainable. It's up to them to build their own business and I agree to help them all the way. Also the money helps. I deposited my 343$ check and then wrote my truck payment the next day for 319. It felt like I didn't pay for my truck for a month :) I'll keep checking in here to see how you and Moe are doing..Well wishes to all and have a great holiday season!
Buddy- IBO
Buddy! You are the most honest IBO :-D I'm glad for you. I referred to "shopping" when I responded to Moe’s post. Besides isn't this business = "Buy for yourself and teach others to do so"? It is shopping that generates the volume, no? And the ppl aspect. I'm more than willing to discuss it semantics. I was 1000 PV in my first full month. Was in BWW, out in a year, after losing 10 grand in 300 PV products every month, seminars, books, tapes, travel..
But first thing first. Are you on tapes, functions, seminars?
How much do you retail? FTC says you should be retailing 70% of the products at least! Even 30% self consumption is not smart but legality check first. Yes, less than 70% retail, you won't get downline bonus. See Quixtar business rules. What do you do to report that PV? Your self-use is NOT client sales. Read Quixtar rules.
You were bottom level IBO once. My point exactly! At any given point, 84% ppl are bottom level IBO. http://tinyurl.com/4dl8x if bottom level IBO is making money (bonus - expenses) than it's a legit business. IF not than it's a scam! I know many platinums who grossed around 60K but netted just 4,000 whole year for a super human effort! ask for uplines tax return. Schedule C AND line 1099, so you can determine net profit.
BTW you look like on right track, yes it is a part time business (if you retail, u'll make good part time money) for small financial goals like car payments etc. That’s how it started. Big money, I'd venture to say 70-80% are in fraud like tools, seminars etc.
Imran,
consuming from my business doesn't mean anything. My next check is $102 made posibble by people that want to try something different.I've just bought some paper towels and XS drinks and let me tell you it's awesome. I introduce simple products to my neighbors like the XS drinks and fot the ladies cosmetics products. My closest upline drives about 5hours every other day just to help me promote products mostly cosmetics and beauty supplies. Where can you get determination like that from. It's like a farm. Your not going to expect food the next day you plant something. It take time. I call it networking. I only show the plan to people that are higher level or my level. for your information it's only my second month and Iam duplicating like no other. I sponsered a friend and he did 600PV's in his first month. I honstly thing it's about trust and determination. Theirs nothing stopping me now.
You said somethig about pyramd? Your job is a pyramid because you'll never be ontop of your CEO,manager, ETC.
I just sponsered a friend and his getting a bigger check than I did. It obvioustly working.I understand I will never make a same as the people started this business, but my job doesn't let me multiply my income by 15X. from $7.50 to $112. You do the math. if your come back is your screwing your downlines your wrong because their happy infact their happier because they can make more money than I do. All my uplines have higher education than I do, Iam not forcing them to join all Iam doing is sharing. Like they said this business is not for everybody and maybe that's why it's growing rapidly. If everybody owned MCD's, then we would all be out of business. The process can take a while, but it's about building business with people business minded people. The key is honesty and having determined uplines to help you achieve, to drive the miles whenever you need them.
Imran,
Iam sorry to say this to you . No body forced you to go to functions and seminars plus buy CD's tapes etc. All I was asked to do was my 100Pv and show the plan 3times aweek. We have an open meeting here and the cost is $4 for IBO's and free for guests. I read books from library to help me stay positive about creating wealth. I think the functions/seminars/tapes are where people get the negative Idea. All I do is get all the guest I invited to the open meeting, After words answer all their questions they might have. if they join the business, I tell them to only share this Idea with people that are business minded and can understand the potential. Thanks
I go to some meetings. I go when my schedule allows me. I have bought some tapes and given some to my downline, but now the IBOs buy the ones they want. I do have Clients( my wife's school agree to buy the after-care snacks, and I have a few people who buy the cleaning stuff and XS energy drinks. Also, I didn't lose any of my friends :) If they didn't that was their choice. Good luck Moe. Maybe I'll see you at a function some day.
Buddy-IBO
Buddy,
This business is so simple, I don't know why people get this negative Idea. They tell clearly that this is not get rich quick scheeme. I honestly think that if you really work hard at it, you can go platnum quick. I met this 26year old at the meeting here in Cedar Rapids IA, his name is Charlie. He's been doing this business since 2001, He is already planning to retire. All I can say to the people reading this, Get out of the closet and change something in your life. Don't listen to the negativity just do it. Hey buddy I wish you the best of luck great things are happening here in Iowa. Stay fired uupppppp(:
Moe wrote:
Imran,
Iam sorry to say this to you . No body forced you to go to functions and seminars plus buy CD's tapes etc.
Moe, So Frauds are not crime than? According to law, illegal pyramids are crime, and so is so many financial frauds. They are not done by force, rather deception. So you are right that no body 'dragged' me, but that doesn't justify deception does it?
Moe Said:
You said somethig about pyramd? Your job is a pyramid because you'll never be ontop of your CEO,manager, ETC.
I just sponsered a friend and his getting a bigger check than I did.
Uh Moe...I think you need to understand what pyramid is:
Pyramid vs Job
This is undoubtedly the stupidest rationale for legitimizing pyramid schemes. Why? I should smack you just for asking... but I won't.
Instead I'll explain (ain't I nice?). All J-O-Bs are structured with the leadership at the top and varied tiers of leadership all the way down to the most insignificant employee. Graphing this out does sort of look like a pyramid. But that means absolutely nothing because any system with clear leadership looks this way.
Here's the difference. Pay attention. In a J-O-B, the people "at the bottom" get paid by "those at the top" for their efforts. In a "pyramid scheme" the people at the bottom pay "those at the top" for their efforts. That's the difference. Learn that and avoid the smack of my stupid stick.
For the more advanced students I'll also add that in a J-O-B the people at the top aren't really the ones paying the people at the bottom for their efforts. The customers or clients are doing the paying. Just something else to think about.
It obvioustly working.I understand I will never make a same as the people started this business, but my job doesn't let me multiply my income by 15X. from $7.50 to $112.
Please don't get me wrong, but...This 15X is easier achieving in 2 - 3 figure bonus. How many ppl in Quixtar male $1000 / month AFTER expenses? .01% (amquix.info, talk about math, DETAIL math there)
Better yet, the group as a whole is profitable? including every person who signed up and did nothing? they SHOULD be included? Platinum indexes I saw show a platinum ship as a whole will ALWAYS lose money. Try mlmsurvivor club or amquix.info or quixtarblog.com, I can post some here if you want.
And you are right, function, books, tapes drain ppl much faster, but this maths, money moving out to in maing top few rich while bottom one losing money is inherently flawed.
And yeah, EVERY HONEST thing takes work and risk. I'm successful at what I do. Because I put work. Thing is am I providing value? In other words, in this business of soap and hope, am I selling soap or making killing while luring ppl into fake hope?
Why Pyramids are illegal? No body "force" ppl to join them in? It takes work as well ;-) It's because negative sum game. Think about it, why government made it illegal?
Besides, I know some people who are divorced, broken up because of this business. I am not saying YOU are bad ppl, heck no. But this happened on 'upline' advice. This much control make it look like a cult. Business cult or business pyramid. My favourite is
Quixtar = cult of free enterprise
:D
Imran,
You said--->Here's the difference. Pay attention. In a J-O-B, the people "at the bottom" get paid by "those at the top" for their efforts. In a "pyramid scheme" the people at the bottom pay "those at the top" for their efforts. That's the difference. Learn that and avoid the smack of my stupid stick.
How is this a pyramid if my downline is making more money than me. Jobs pay you in efforts you make. Time X Rate= $. If you don't put time you don't get paid. In quixtar you do the work ones and get paid over and over. Quixtar pays you on effort. I think you got it twisted my friend. Like I said before, If every body was positive about this business, then we would have business. Negative people about this business is what gives the positive people a chance. - X + = $.
Uh Moe, I was once one of the positive ppl :D I ALWAYS made more $$ than my sponsor. I was his only leg and I was wide, so was my check! Was I in Pyramid? Yes. How? All money that top folks were making was coming from bottom folks. some folks e.g. you and ur sponsor might be making less than ur downline but overall money flow remains the same.
Pyramid => how money move; from the bottom participants to up or outside clients. Sure I made more money than my sponsor, but go a bit top and there were 'uplines' making more $$ than me BECAUSE of their downline purchases. Above my sponsor was platinum. Same case must be yours, as you tell your upline is making $4800. Your and your downline purchases and other downline purchases make that money right?
Here is a thing; I even have made more money than some of my bosses!
Enough negativity already :D Some positive questions: Have you read Quixtar rules?
Do you get downline bonus?
Do you have 10 customers each buying every month? or you retail at least 50 PV each month?
Moe, in case you were wondering it was me who made the last post, my browser f*cked up and I end up using my other nick :)
Since this past weeks my business started to sky rocket. I have excited customers that are happy with what their getting. I started to hit my 1000pv. Iam just getting bigger and bigger.My upline sponser was at the qualifications for platnum before I joined. The way Iam going, I gurantee you I'll be earning more than him pretty soon. He is excited to see my business sky rocketing like this. He can't wait for his 4% checks residual, because Iam growing wide and depth comes automatic thats what so great about this business. I don't know what happened to you if your were hitting 1000Pv every month?.
Any job, if theirs no customers then theirs no money coming in. This business has potential because they have neccesity products that we need every day after day. Let me in on a little secret. I interviewed all my downlines and made sure they were fit for this business unlike alot of people, sponsering people they meet at the mall and streets at 3.00 Oclock in the morning.
I ment let me let you in on alittle secret
Good for you Moe, I was 1000PV in my first full month! I was soooo excited and all.
I was losing money on 'expenses' like tapes, seminars and even doing 300 personal PV. And $350 or 1000 PV check wasn't enough to cover expenses of $1000 or more.
Besides, even diamonds, double diamonds, emeralds etc. have quit. I was just 1000 PV? 1 out of 1000 platinums ever hit the diamond level.....btw is their any Quixtar only diamond? I mean one who did not started in Amway? In my knowledge there is non. Doug and Amway weir started in Amway. (Tim: I think you know but there is NO quixtar only diamond yet)
Anyways, FTC says 70% retail, i.e. to non-ibo customers. Competition act in Canada says something similar. If your personal volume has at least 70% customer orders, and so is your downline, ALL the best. I also hope you are honest with people. I'm tired of folks who prospect and hide Quixtar name. Real franchises don't work like that; they are very honest and open about their success. Maybe that’s why we don't see many McDonald closing? But attrition rate of Quixtar is highest....50% IBOs quit in their first year, every year, since 1970. (amquix.info)
Anyway, see you around. Try http://www.quixtarBlog.com forum as well and share your ideas. You might learn some tips from old timers. There is a person who has Dexter Yager as their downline there. Every one else is Yager's dowline, including BWW, Fred Harteis etc.
Imran,
Good stuff man, But speaking of diamonds in the business I met about 7 diamonds in the quixtar business and every one of them was excited. Like I said Honesty is the key to success. It was a pleasure sharing information with you. May Allah bless you
I was at one time an IBO. I do not have the time to do this bussiness anymore. One thing I will say is that I believe this business can have its success, but only for certain people. It takes time (alot) and determination, which is true with any business.
One thing that drove me crazy is that no one is willing to share how much they make or how many people they have below them. What is the big secret anyway? If I was a diamond or made a ton of money with Quixtar, I would use that as a selling point, but no one is like that. I asked a diamond one time how many people he had below him and how much he made a month and he responded with..."We don't share those types of things, that is too personal."
Marce,
They could have anywhere from 6 legs to 200000 legs to go diamond. If you went platnum and help 6 people to get to platnum then your a diamond. I hope i answered your question. Thanks
Oh Thanks Moe, Allah bless u too, :D
I was extremely excited at the verge of bankcruptcy at 1500 PV.
Marce, I hear ya!
Well, all I have to say is information, knowledge is power. Moe, you are here and you are reading. You go Diamond or CAM, You have the info. I was stupid enough not to research on net. In that case, I wish you best of luck. One word: 70% Retail, no 100% personal consumption to all peeps in ur team and u r good to go.
Dagwood,
It is funny to see your initial comment about Josh and saying that he is a bad American when you yourself are defending a foreign company.
Yep, you genius!
Alticor is the parent company for Quixtar/Amway. They posted $6.2 billion in sales for 2004.
Nearly 70% of those sales came from Asia, not the US.
There are 130 retail Amway stores in China supporting their economy, not ours.
They currently have 130,000 sales reps employed in China.
ALL 180 products it sells are made in China at its 141,000 sq ft factory in Gaungzhou, China.
Amway employs 13,000 DIRECT employees worldwide, 3,300 (25% of their TOTAL employees) work at this China factory.
All of the above are FACTS, not someone just talking out the small hole placed below their waistline.
You might want to take a long look before calling someone a bad American.....
guys plz..suggest me..some one approached me to join quixtar business..am a research scholar earning some $1200 permonth(with a fee waive)...
i have some doubts here
1.whether an ibo need to make 100pv each n evrymonth..
2.in what time he will reach for earning a 50k per anum thru this business..n how much on average an IBO need to spend on this business..
plz gimme ur honest sugestions in this new year..
thnx..
1.whether an ibo need to make 100pv each n evrymonth..
Well yes, you need to make 100 PV EVERY month, if you are serious, then 300 PV. Of course ppl join Quixtar if they are 'serious', no body throws sign up money just for nothing. Diamonds will make statements like redirect your buying power and their 6 year old daughter make 100 PV a month in vitamins and stuff and 300 PV is a joke. Well 300 PV => $800 bucks even more. Do you spend that much on shopping every month. No? I thought so. So what happens when you don't make 100 PV and your downline make say 10,000 PV? You don't get any $$. you need to be above your downline bonus level, or have two downline doing serious PV. Ev |
Amen. This sounds exactly like a conversation I had with my upline last week. Excellent essay and well-written. I have rejected the system, and I am currently waiting for my IBO-ship to expire. In the meantime, I cannot in good conscience introduce this disease to anyone I know in good conscience. As far as sales go, I am a salesman of sorts, so it isn't fear of sales, as "Systemites" would have us believe. Rather, I suggest that the truly honest person cannot build this business in good conscience.
Posted by: Josh on December 13, 2003 02:39 AM