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In Tim Russert's recent interview with President Bush, Russert showed his partisan stripes by implying there was something fiscally irresponsible about cutting taxes when the economy was down, and attemped to get Bush to promise not to do another tax cut until the deficit was paid off. The problem is, Russert has his economics wrong. To pay off the deficit, it appears we need more taxes cut. Long ago, when playing a fun little game called "Sim City", I noted that at first, when I increased the taxes on my little virtual people, I had more money with which to build roads, hospitals, etc. But this trick was only good for a few tries: After a while, I noticed that increasing taxes decreased my income, and made my virtual people move away. Sim City is no replacement for reality, but it illustrated an important point. When liberals and other simple-minded folk such as myself would look at taxation, we thought about it in a very simplistic way -- what economists would call "static analysis". We'd think: If I just change this variable, everything else will stay the same. In this case: If we just raise taxes, the government will have more money, and nothing else will change. The problem is, that kind of thinking is dead wrong, economically. And history proves it. There's a little economic entity called "The Laffer Curve" which predicts that when your taxes are "too high", lowering the tax rates will actually increase the amount of money the government collects from taxes. Why does this happen? Think of the tax rate as the government's way of telling you how much it's worth it to make money. If you get to keep all the money you make, you might find it profitable to do a day's labor. On the other hand, if you learn that after a certain income level is achieved, you will only get to keep, say, one of five extra dollars you earn, then you might just decide: "Screw it, I've got enough. I'm going to take up gardening." The problem with taking up gardening instead is that it decreases economic activity. "Economic activity" is just a fancy word for "creating wealth" or, in everyday terms: "Making things become more valuable to everyone." You have a yard full of sticks, I have a yard full of rocks. We trade, and bring in the guy with the vines, and soon we all have primitive pickaxes. Our work made us all wealthier. So the guy who goes back to tending his roses isn't helping the economy as much as the guy who then goes out and starts a factory or delivery business. And part of his reasoning for making this decision (gardening versus starting a business*) is due to his expected return on his work. Which is set by the government tax rates. The Laffer Curve says taxes are "too high" when you can decrease the tax rate and find you've increased the income you receive from taxes. "Are we there yet?" Well, currently about half of every dollar we make goes to taxes. I'd guess, just off the cuff, that that's probably in the "too high" zone. (In Sim City, for what it's worth, the cutoff point was around 6%!) But, because we have a President who's willing to cut taxes, we are doing a real-life experiment to see if rates are currently "too high". In an excellent TownHall.com column, Jerry Bowyer talks about the results:
Note the key sentence: Taxes are down, but tax revenue has gone up up. This suggests that, in our current situation, it will be important to cut taxes even further in order to pay off the deficit. That's the kind of statement which drives liberals crazy. Look, nobody becomes a conservative, at least in my world, to make more friends and be well-loved at parties. But if you really want to help people, you have to believe in things which actually work. There's no virtue in having hope in your head, love for all mankind in your heart, and running the world from a wrong economic model which leaves everyone scrounging for a nice juicy locust to offset the hunger pangs. The sad thing is, this kind of ignorance often passes as "knowledge". In the present case, I distinctly remember an NPR radio show several years ago featured several economists who all swore, up and down, that the Bush tax cuts would not expand the economy enough to offet the decreased tax rate. That tax income would go down, not up. So far, its looking like they were all dead wrong. This trend has a good historical precendent: Remember Ronald Reagan? A friend of mine recently remembered, mockingly, his economic stupidty. Reaganomics she and his other critics called it. The problem was, Reagan was right also. And his critics, to the contrary, were actually revealing their own economic ignorance. When Reagan dropped taxes, as in the current example, government tax revenues actually soared. So why the famous Reagan deficit? Because both the Republican President, and the Democratic Congress (who holds the purse strings, boys and girls) spent this new income faster than it came in. Lastly, I'd like to make a note about the shape of the tax cuts. It's not any tax cuts which help. People have to believe the tax cut is permanent, or they'll just squirrel the temporary savings away rather than making serious changes. Second (hold your breath here, folks) the rich must be included. Again, this is not the kind of statement which wins you friends at parties. But remember, it's the rich -- or potentially rich, anyway -- who start the factories, open new businesses, and employ almost everyone we know. It's the rich who can decide whether to start a new business or tend roses. They're the ones who have risen above $120K per year per person and are deciding how to invest that extra money. What we tell them, with the tax code, effects whether and how they invest that money, or not. Remember this when some politician (Kerry) tells you he doesn't mind the Bush tax cut, per se but would make sure he shifted it around so that the rich get the short end of the stick. But in doing so, Kerry will essentially be telling the rich: Screw it. Don't build a company, at least not here. Forget expanding the economy. That extra income is ours, give it here! Who's going to invest on those terms? Tend roses instead. * My rose-tending example is from real life. I have a friend who is a venture capitalist on the west coast. When economic conditions are right, he builds businesses. Last time I spoke to him (several years ago), he'd thrown in the towel for a while and decided to sit on his money, tend roses, and spent time with his family. Rumcrook: I have a lot of friends from all over the political spectrum. One of the things I enjoy about being a conservative is that, in my experience, we're a lot more tolerant and accepting of differences than liberals. Open-minded too. (I mean, I became a conservative. How did that happen? It's because I looked at the data and realized I was wrong!) Also, since I believe God cares about all people, why shouldn't I? I have friends who have been liberals who have "flipped." Some won't listen, of course, but everybody deserves the chance to hear data that contradicts what they've been told. If we won't tell them, then who will? Best to you! Posted by: Tim on February 22, 2004 02:40 AM Liberals understand economics, the just can't stand watch people get rich by working hard (as an individual) and keeping as much money after taxes. See, in their eyes, successful people should carry and take care those on the "gravy train". It is just that simple. It has nothing to do with understanding economics, if you are talking to an intelligent person that is. Things are different if you are talking to a government high school grad. They just can't get past the indoctrination. Posted by: Efrain Velazquez on February 24, 2004 01:40 PM Hi Tim, great web site. I appreciate the time you take in your analysis, pushing past the bumper stickers, stump speeches and sound bites. I studied the Laffer Curve in freshman-year economics and always thought the effect of the curve would be fairly limited in both directions, but only when you examined personal taxes. Corporate taxes are another story altogether. Fortune 500 companies don't give a rip whether their income statement is tallied up in the U.S., the Caymans or the North Pole, so, according to that model, the corporate tax rate ought to be 0%. Much of the outsourcing dialogue (ha!) is also null if you eliminate corporate taxes. But talk about saying something that won't win you any friends at cocktail parties .... And any deficit discussion isn't complete without the Big Three fiscal crises: Social Security, Department of Health & Human Services and waste in the armed forces. It's time to do away with those blind spots in our national dialogue and demand some straight talk out of our politicians. Again, great site. Wire me any time you want to knock some ideas around. Posted by: F. Nolan on March 10, 2004 02:04 PM "The problem was, Reagan was right also. And his critics, to the contrary, were actually revealing their own economic ignorance. When Reagan dropped taxes, as in the current example, government tax revenues actually soared." This is not what I remember from my macro economic classroom teachings. Tax revenues "soared" BECAUSE of the increase in government spending, not because of the tax cut. We were shown that if you factor out the increase in govenment spending, tax revenues actually fell, just like John Maynard Keynes would suggest with his IS/LM diagram. Consequently, the Laffer curve was dismissed as voodoo economics, David Stockman resigned, and the Keynsian theory became the accepted way of thinking about the relationship between taxes & revenues. Posted by: Carl Dettelis on March 24, 2004 04:36 PM My impression is that revenues soared mostly because interest rates had been high in the 70s to try and fight rampant inflation. After Volcker finally killed inflation by choking the economy into a recession, he could cut interest rates way below where they had been. Besides, in the absence of tax cuts or increases, revenues will still increase as the GDP increases. I think I have a much less partisan take on supply side economics. Basically, the Laffer curve is obviously valid, but whether tax cuts increase revenues depends on which side of the curve you're on. Posted by: fling93 on April 2, 2004 12:37 PM Sio, what's wrong with the Laffer Curve? Posted by: Ashish Hanwadikar on August 6, 2005 05:54 PM "It has nothing to do with understanding economics, if you are talking to an intelligent person that is. Things are different if you are talking to a government high school grad." High school grads can't be intelligent? Posted by: Tom on August 8, 2005 01:21 AM Tying up a few loose ends, years later, for those who might drop by henceforth... Carl: This is not what I remember from my macro economic classroom teachings. Tax revenues "soared" BECAUSE of the increase in government spending, not because of the tax cut... Sounds like Carl was taught a perpetual-motion theory of taxes: that government spending can make actual tax revenues "soar." So I guess the idea is that we take money from people (as taxes), give it back to them (as spending), and then "make more of it" by taxing it again as we give it back to them. Yet the expansion it the economy did not simply come down to more government jobs. If that kind of economic analysis made sense, the USSR would have had a roaring economy given their achievement of full, government-paid employment. Nor does "more government spending" explain the last expansion under Bush, nor the same effect under JFK.
Like you, I was taught to worship John Maynard Keynes. But you've got your facts wrong: Keynesian economics was in it's zenith before Reagan. (Republican Richard Nixon once even quipped, famously: "We're all Keynesians now.") But since the 1980s, many, like Milton Friedman, have argued persuasively that Keynes, in key areas, was wrong and that economists like Hayek and Von Mises had it right all along. And indeed, the Great Depression itself was a massive repudiation of Keynes' theories: we did pretty much what Keynes suggested, and the Depression dragged on and on.
Yes, absolutely: If you shift from 0% taxes to 1% taxes, you're going to make more money. Of course. But I base my hunch that we're fairly far on the right side of the curve on a rather simple test: Each time the President cuts taxes (Bush, Reagan, JFK), tax receipts have gone up. And the same seems to apply to the states. And it's hard to argue, just intuitively, that increasing an effective tax rate of 30% to 50% might be still too low to discourage economic activity! ;-) In his article fling93 argues: "And we all know George H.W. Bush and Clinton raised taxes, and yet, revenues increased to the point where we had surpluses..." Yes, that's somewhat true -- but I don't think he's thinking about the problem very clearly. First, another history lesson is in order: GHW Bush did raise taxes. But what followed was a recession. Hence, Clinton ran on the quip: "It's the economy stupid." So strike one for that argument. Also, when Clinton took office at the start of his administration, he generally cut taxes, rather than raising them.
Strike two. And finally, a third strike: an economy has a certain amount of momentum: When it is going well, it will continue to go well for a while, even when an adverse policy slides into place. Likewise, when it's going badly, you can't jump-start it overnight. Even when you're on the right side of the curve, you can still increase tax revenues by raising taxes -- for a short time. And indeed, when Clinton raised taxes (and not by too much -- he was quite cautious) the economy didn't immediately slide into a tailspin. But it will slowly contract for quite a while in response. Remember, this is not a static analysis here, folks. Time counts. But nonetheless, the late 1990s, after the (slight) tax increases, was an economic bubble, one which burst when Greenspan waved his wand and raised the prime rate from its artificially low levels -- only after Al Gore lost his election, of course -- and the reality of it came crashing down. And we found ourselves in a recession. (And a not-inconsiderable part of those surpluses were both the "Peace Dividend" (brought by Reagan's policies) and the Gingrich/Clinton spending cuts -- a total of about $600 billion in savings.) From fling93's blog: So there you have it, and hopefully that’ll give you some ammunition to use against the inevitable supply-sider at cocktail parties who tries to explain the Laffer Curve... Nice try! Play again anytime. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on July 17, 2007 09:00 PM Add your two cents...
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"Again, this is not the kind of statement which wins you friends at parties."
what parties are you going too? I try not to hang out with people who are addled with liberal propagada to the point they honestly believe taking away over 70 percent of anyones income is fair.
Posted by: rumcrook on February 21, 2004 11:46 PM