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For those that are still with me, I don't think you be shocked to learn any of the following, but here we go anyway... First, it's completely obvious the media is complicit with Kerry's lies and duplicity. Kerry made up the "foreign leaders love me" quote and put it out there for everyone to talk about. Yet the minute anyone brought it up, they were slapped down for not playing fair, of being "partisan" (oh, that's rich) and reading from some Republican-scripted playbook. In this latest round, Kerry makes his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his nomination. And, lo and behold, some veterans speak out against him. Now, of course, we're told this is some kind of "dirty trick" by Bush or the Republicans. Funded by them and all. Really? Let me get this straight. Kerry and the DNC sponsors a small bunch of guys that Kerry served with to get up, at a DNC-sponsored ceremony, and say, on national TV, what a great guy and hero Kerry is. The DNC covers their bills, pays their expenses, puts them up, grants them TV time, etc. etc. etc. And of course, that's -- what -- non-partisan or something? Certainly it's supposed to be something which is fair game, and testimony we should all take very, very seriously. Then, some others -- oh, twenty times as many other sailors who served with Kerry -- also want to speak up and have their say. They say the opposite: Kerry's not a hero, he's a coward. That stuff didn't happen the way he said he did. Etc. And we're told that since one Republican gave them some small amount of funding (compared to the amount spent for the DNC's dog-and-pony veteran parade), we should competely disregard their side of the story. They are, we are told, being PARTISAN, apparently. Thus their testimony is to be ignored. Nothing to see here... move along... Unlike those other guys at the DNC convention who were, of course, somehow, non-partisan. Despite being paid by Democrats, to attend a Democratic convention, and speak to Democrats, about a Democratic Senator, who wants to run on the Democratic ticket to occupy the White House. No, nothing partisan there. No political motivations or payments on that side of the coin, obviously. And people -- what -- buy this? "Oh they're being paid by Republicans!" Yeah -- but so what? Were you equally concerned about the bias of the guys who spoke well about Kerry and recommended him to us? I only care about motivations when someone's wrong. Telling the truth is it's own justification. Finally, what's up with McCain? He's blown his lid over this, and says these are dirty tricks from some Republican operative. So the Republicans -- what -- created several hundred SwiftBoat and Navy veterans from clay and bailing twine and programmed them to lie about Kerry? That's a lot of testimony to buy. McCain complains these guys are opening old wounds that he's been trying to heal for all these years. Uh, John, I hate to mention it, but these guys didn't move Kerry's Vietnam-era service record into the forefront of the political arena. These guys didn't claim we should all have a hearty look-see into his Vietnam service to learn what kind of bloke he really was. And if even half of what they say is true, I'm darned grateful to be learning about it. Do you really want to elect a war criminal for president? Which brings me to my final rant on this story. When Bush was accused of going AWOL, by one guy with a fuzzy memory, we heard about it for months in the news. Why hasn't Bush released his records? Where was he? What does this say about his character? Even after releasing all the records it took quite a while for the flap to die down. The media loved it! Now, here we have several hundred guys -- including 22 or so in Kerry's direct command -- saying major, major bad things about the guy. Not that he failed to report for a medical exam, but that he's a war criminal. Shot a fleeing, wounded soldier in the back. Broke the rules of conduct repeatedly. Torched a civillian village and slaughtered their livestock for the fun of it. (Oh, I'm sure that helped our campaign to be accepted by the locals.) Fled from the other swiftboats at the sound of gunfire. Needed constant supervision. Freaked out when there was no gunfire, lobbed his own gernade at a rock, and fragged himself. And then lied about what happened. And then presented purjured testimony, under oath, before Congress in which he falsely accused his comrades and supervisors of torture, atrocities, and war crimes. Uh, don't mean to tell a journalist their job, but I'd think that's a heck of a lot more important -- not to mention newsworthy -- than an allegation of a missed medical exam. And there are a stack of sworn affidavits. Multiple, corrobrating eyewitness testimonies. From Democrats and Republicans. Not the half-misty remembrances of one old codger who wasn't even sure he met the guy in question (Bush). But this isn't being reported, in any depth -- why? I can understand the aggrivation and hate that is held aggainst Sen. Kerry with regard to his statements about the Vietnam War. Posted by: Jason on October 18, 2004 01:07 PM Jason, You and I, we live in two different worlds, at least on this matter. I have no trouble with the idea that a soldier who has witnessed atrocities should speak out. None whatsover. But that has almost nothing to do with the "SwiftVets flap", as I've called it here. Kerry didn't come back and testify that some atrocities occurred. Indeed, THAT statement would have been true: But it was also true that what atrocities we do know about today were discovered, investigated, and proactively prosecuted by the military then. As I understand it, the atrocities which we're pretty sure happened, such as the Mai Lai massacre, were not done at the request of the brass. But if you think the swiftvets are mad at Kerry because he said some atrocities occured, you've probably been relying on the news for your information. Sadly, that's a mistake these days. The issue is that Kerry lied in front of the Senate. Not in saying some atrocities occurred, but in saying that he'd witnessed his peers, his "band of brothers", doing them, daily, as part of policy which went all the way up the chain of command. That they and he torched villages, shot children, tortured people using wires attached to their genitals, etc. etc. etc. The problem is: there is zero evidence whatsoever to suggest that is true. Kerry wasn't in Mai Lai, and the only hints I have of atrocities involving the Switboats involve, ironicly, John Kerry. (There are reports indicate that he actually torched a village unnecessarily.) Look: If you and I were family members, say you were my "brother" in a typical, normal family. It would be one thing if I stood up and said that police reports said there was organized crime going on in the country. Not very interesting, but at least it's true. On the other hand, if I stood up and said that my entire family -- you me, mom, dad, sis and our grandparents -- acted, daily, like mafioso, and killed a lot of people, you would -- and should -- have a real problem with that. And that is the problem facing the Swiftboat Vets. Not that Kerry testified honestly about the war crimes which did occur, elsewhere, years after he left (which is when Mai Lai happened), but instead that he fabricated a story of seeing some in order to have something to testify about. Was Kerry "brave"? I have no indication Kerry was "brave" in the slightest. If Kerry were a brave soldier who saw war crimes going on, he would have reported them at the time. That is what a good soldier will do. But it wasn't until YEARS after coming back, and after the rise of the anti-war movement among the youth, that he suddenly decided there were war crimes going on, back then, and started speaking about them. In addition, his own little "war crimes" tribunal VVAW, was found to largely consist of fabricated testimony: Most of the testimony was shown to come from (a) people who had been vets, but not gone to Vietnam, (b) people -- like Al Hubbard, Kerry's co-leader -- who had not even been vets but claimed to be, and (c) people who falsely assumed the identities of real soldiers and testified in their name, putting words into their mouths. I have little doubt Kerry was aware of all of this, and there are some indications he was. There's nothing particularly brave about any of that. There's nothing brave about being dishonest to get attention. And fianlly, to cap it off: You may not understand this, but if you wanted to be popular among the youth in those days, you became an anti-war leader. You want to get chicks? Come out against the war. It was about as "brave" as being a liberal in Hollywood today. Yeah, if you came from a conservative family and were in your 40s, then it mght be brave. But not for a young, college-age guy. Reprecussions? Goodness, he got a Senate seat out of it. Secret war in Cambodia? Same deal. Of course, there were some secret actions. But that's different than whether it was going on way back in 1968, and whether John Kerry was in the thick of it, as he claimed to be. Goodness, the Khemer Rouge, which John Kerry testified to seeing there and then, didn't even become a fighting force until years later. Last, I think the reason people aren't talking about the Gulf of Tonkin is because its utterly irrelevant to questions like whether Kerry was on secret missions in Cambodia, or whether we should take everyone else's word of Kerry's on whether ALL the Swiftboat Soldiers, DAILY committed unspeakable atrocities. I mean, sure it led to escalating the war, but so did Kennedy's death and host of other factors too. It has nothing to do with what the Swiftboat Veterans are trying to warn you about. You want to see someone who's brave? How about a group of retired veterans who are having their lives torn apart in the media, who are being ridiculed publicly because they're trying to warn the US about a very unscupulous soldier they once served with? Who are spending their own private money to let people know about a serious threat. It's hilarious: Kerry is the darling of half the US, and he's a "brave" man who testified AT ANY COST -- that "cost" being a senate seat, a career in politics, a VERY WEALTHY wife whom he never would have met otherwise, and run for the US Presidency. Then there are a group of old retired guys spending their own cash to let us know he's not all he's told us he is -- and they're demonized, not "brave". Hilarious. Please wake up, Jason. Posted by: Tim on October 18, 2004 06:58 PM Add your two cents...
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The records released "asserting" Bush's attendance were pay stubs. All it said is he was paid. That doesn't mean he served. Daddy's connections got him the cushy position in the Air National Guard keeping the Viet Cong, who are notorious for their air strikes and not silly underground tunnels, from attacking Texas. The odds of him getting paid for things he didn't do are fairly high.
Bush decided to fight this war as a result of U.N. sanction violations. The U.N. said, essentially, "Don't." We went ahead anyway.
Bush is also not the first leader in history to issue a Preemptive attack. Hitler did it in 1939. Hussein himself did it in 1991. Or at least, that was their excuse.
Bush is a war criminal. He's having the wholesale slaughter of American Boys and Iraqi Civilians with no justification. When we went to war, he lied to get people on our side. Those lies became evident, so he kept lying. It's premeditated murder. If he were in Texas he could get the death penalty.
Hell, even the Pope said the war was illegal and immoral.
Sources:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=15&num=1904
http://www.earthside.com/bush-war-crimes.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999734/site/newsweek/
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3006
Posted by: Krister on August 28, 2004 01:51 AM