hi
i love this system
bye
dinesh

hi
i think this sustem will give u a life of
significance..........
so follow it now------

bye

DINESH

hello
i am student of engineering .
i am not doing any mlm business but thruly
i sopport this sistem.

bye
DINESH SOLANKI

Dinesh, why don't you learn how to speak
English and give a more relevant comment. Quixtar has all the signs of a pyramid scheme, one of them indeed being a large initial investment. Any organization who takes in people and claims them as their own without any sort of documentation is almost cultish and deserves investigation.

It's taking action in UK too!

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/action/UKaction.html

u got it noz, it's a very old another get rich quick all American scheme, hence the name am way, American way. 1959 - 2004.

BWW sells tapes, books and seminars to ppl trying to make money off Amway. At ridiculously higher prices. Majority of ppl end up losing time and money and are labeled as losers when the leave

Anyone who knows anything about business knows both the system and the Business Works! once investigated, they will find this is a business whith integrity! Look it up in the Federal Trade Commision Reports!

Dont be confused use resources like the Federal Trade Commission and the bbb they both find this business to to reputable. they did 4 billion last year, they are completely debt free, they are based in over 70 contries and yes they have a great system and over 15,000 products. Toothpaste through Natural Gass(Columbia Gas)mci, coca cola, ect you have to work at this business 2-5 years and not give up that's where a lot of people don't make it they don't utilize the system. People give up too easily just look at our divorse rate in america 65%
Steve

Steve, system works? Works for whom might be more accurate.

It works for the top few. Yes it does. But is it working for the majority?

According to Amway press release:

Anyone who knows anything about business knows both the system and the Business Works!
Ha! Why not all wall street doing it them? No investment and life time freedom.

Fact is, many naive non-business savvy people end up doing it. I hardly saw any business person doing it. Right now it is focusing towards the students and immigrants! Sad, bad and sick.

I came upon this searching about the business I just joined. I don't want to argue others opinion, but I do want to give my own.
I am a part of the business and I see it like this:
This opportunity is similar to those who can afford to own (let's say) a Best Buy store. Obviously whoever started Best buy (owner) is making the profits from all the stores started after his. He sales supplies and forms to the other owners at his price and in the end profits.
This model is exactly the same. The difference is, it allows anyone interested to start with a tiny store, or lets say a Best Buy shack. As their members and clients grow the store grows, thus resulting in profit. This business also teaches us to invest in ourselves rather than investing in Walmart or any other stores. Though they have to buy supplies to keep the busines running they are legally making money from their efforts.
It's kept in a closed circuit because if anyone is allowed to shop or sign up without a link it breaks the business plan.
Lastly to say, find someone and attend a few open meetings, which are free to others, and create your own opinion. Don't take advice from someone without a plan for sucess, or somone who is not where you want to be in life.

For those who disagree with this business realize that while you are buying products from Walmart and the other stores, their owners are making money and only helping us by providing goods. THe owners of Walmart are the top 3-7 on the forbes list and I bet they charge all their stores for products (that smiley face sign) and others that are purchased weekly.
This business provides goods, teaches prosperity, builds character and provides a $ incentive for purchasing. The incentive also comes from name brand stores other than those sponsored, which are called partner stores (Bass Pro shops, circuit city, 1-800contacts, etc.

Lastly to say, find someone and attend a few open meetings, which are free to others, and create your own opinion. Don't take advice from someone without a plan for sucess, or somone who is not where you want to be in life.
Well I have done this business for a year, attend more meetings than you, listened more tapes than you and have attended more seminars than you. Can I tell some thing about BWW?

Plan for success: Yes. Hard work! Getting retired early is not a right dream. Some one somewhere would be working his ass off to keep you retired.

If some one has a financial interest in you, of course he'll tell you what is his benefit, not always yours. My mortgage broker despite my financial position will say take mortgage from me. my upline will say not quit. My employer will say work more and store owner will say shop more. Point: Being a mentor of your customer is a bad business. In BWW, all IBOs are customers and diamonds etc. are selling them tapes. How diamonds could be the mentor of their own customers? They are boubd to give them mentor ship to buy more tapes for their own sake? I don't think they are qualified to give me advice.

You people are all so crazy. If you didn't like it fine, so do something else, but don't blab your jaw off and damper others dreams. Someone mentioned there were no products of consumption??? Well I buy my shampoo, my soap, my cleaner, my food, my make-up, my paper, my printer ink, some clothes, a filing cabinet, the lists goes on and on and on, and you know what? I consume all of those products. You aren't required to buy books and tapes, is it recommended yes, but not required. If you do buy them, try reading them or listening to them, you might learn something about yourself. Once you are done with your tools, you aren't suppose to go off and sell them to someone else, its called a personal library. People fail in this business because they don't have a large enough dream, they can't handle delayed gradification, and are so bull-headed that they can't listen to other successful people's advice. Many of you also say that you are making money off your downline. This is only true in part, yes you make money when they perform, but that money is not taken out of their pocket, it is from the corportation. The corporation doesn't advertise, so this money is given in bonuses instead. Some of you said you have gone to meetings and functions, well you obviously didn't listen with an open mind. Also, downline can make more money than there upline. My upline is not fully committed to building the business and that is fine, but I make money and he doesn't. Do the people above him make money yes, but if I worked harder then them, and grew my business larger than theirs then they wouldn't be making more money than me. This business is common sense, something some of you must not have. It is not a pyramid because we are not taking money from the people below us, the money is from the corporation. A protion of your check is not deducted to go to your upline. Ok, I need to stop reading this site, it is enough to make me sick.

You people are all so crazy. If you didn't like it fine, so do something else, but don't blab your jaw off and damper others dreams.

What an amazingly weak foundation those "dreams" must have: simply discussing them is enough to "damper" them.

It's almost like these people fear freedom of information.

Nah.

Once you are done with your tools, you aren't suppose to go off and sell them to someone else, its called a personal library.

Shouldn't *I* be the one to decide which books or tapes I find valuable enough to re-read? Otherwise, if I keep even the ones I'll never re-read, what happens? Will my library give off "library rays" which keep me pumped up?

Gosh, it almost sounds like they're afraid the tapes shouldn't be re-sold because it might cut into future sales profits.

Nah.

People fail in this business because they don't have a large enough dream, they can't handle delayed gradification, and are so bull-headed that they can't listen to other successful people's advice.

No, my friend, people fail in this business because that's how pyramid/matrix schemes are set up. The only way to get a winner is to produce a lot of losers.

Each person pays a little to their upline. It takes many, many downlines to make a single upline even close to profitable. Each of those downlines must now sign up many, many more to recoup their losses. But there aren't sufficient prospects out there to do it (and population doesn't grow fast enough), so most of them will lose money.

Their feelings, or how hard they hope Hope HOPE it comes true, has absolutely nothing to do with this mathematical certainty.

You're being played for a sucker.

This is only true in part, yes you make money when they perform, but that money is not taken out of their pocket, it is from the corportation.

No, friend, it comes from markups in the price of products sold to their downlines -- which ultimately comes from the fact that downlines have to keep their day jobs while they lose money in this "system".

That money doesn't come from space, my friend. Think: What does the company do? Oh yeah, it sells product. So the "extra" comes from where? Oh yeah, a markup in the price of the product.

The corporation doesn't advertise, so this money is given in bonuses instead.

Wrong again. The reason the corporation doesn't advertise is because they make their money by having IBOs buy their products while they prospect and prospect, and wait and wait and wait until they day they either give up or start to break even.

The longer you can draw this out, the more product you will move. Word of mouth prospecting ensures it takes very long for this to occur.

That's also the purpose of all the social functions and cult-like features: it's to bond you emotionally to the organization and keep you in the loop, purchasing product, as long as possible.

Thats a great to be a Britt Trainer

I was just aproached by one of the guys already in the bww line. he told me that it's a great opportunity to make money and he mentioned e-commerce and a lot of crap. i kept asking what it was about and how it works but he evaded my questions and said that in the seminar i will find out. it sounded too good to be true. i guess it is. i thought that it would be one of those get-rich quick schemes because he slipped something about giving some money to someone above and that sounded weird. also, if i was thinking if he is actually making as much money as he said he was, why would he want someone to get in and take a piece of his pie. i mean, if i'm making money off something, i'll try to make sure that i'll recieve as much profit out of it as i can. i realized that for him to make money he needs to recruit people. he also mentioned something about paying 20 dollars and that's what struck me. i try to be open minded but this bww business does sound like a pyramid scam. i mean, new people pay and portion of money you make goes upside; also, you need to recruit new people in order to profit yourself so that they pay and portion of the money goes to you. aren't those the characteristics of a pyramid scam?

in the end, if you want to make money, get an education. i'm doing so and i believe that with hard work, education is the only thing that can actually make your hopes and dreams come true.

i kept asking what it was about and how it works but he evaded my questions and said that in the seminar i will find out. it sounded too good to be true. i guess it is.

In response to the guy who wrote "in the end, if you want to make money, get an education. i'm doing so and i believe that with hard work, education is the only thing that can actually make your hopes and dreams come true."

The books and the tapes ARE EDUCATION along with the learning lab of going out and "making the presentation" AKA showing the (marketing) plan. The tapes are not all "hype" ...some of the tapes are people's life stories....oral autobiographies. Probably not 100% accurate...(is any autobiography?) but enriching to hear nevertheless...."Humanities 101". Some tapes are life skills instructions....basic stuff like the importance of clipping your nose hairs and make fixing your teeth a high priority and how to buy a suit and tie a tie. If you didn't learn that at home...where are you gonna learn it? Some of the tapes teach basic financial principles...like live within your means...save something every month....hope for the best but prepare for the worst. The process of actually "showing the marketing plan" improves a persons communication skills, their ability to think on their feet...their confidence in speaking before groups. Learning to deal with objections...like most of the stuff posted at this website .... helps a person develop the ability to stand alone on what they believe.

What a great side benefit.

A word about the products....

the skin care stuff....actually helps your skin to LOOK better! ..it is very competitive in the market place both in quality and in price.

The nutritional supplements...all organically grown...actually...make you HEALTHIER...have more energy....and less prone to infections...and include some great weight loss/maintenance products...there's even a website (free) that gives good sound advise on healthy menus and an exercise program.

and the soap...well what can I say...it's good laundry soap...and I like how it smells...

The stuff marketed through the system...it's not "cactus juice"

And you know the partner store people...it's not a LOT of volume...because it's only 5 - 10% pv....BUT THE PRICE IS THE SAME AS IF YOU WENT TO THE WEBSITES DIRECT...you know...places like Barnes and Noble and Office Max....same price...but through the quixtar website you get tagged with the little IBO number on the way to "their" website, therefore get to add up your PV/BV for that little rebate at the end of the month.

Even without counting customers or downline volume my rebate (the stuff I buy and use) is $16 - $150 a month.

IF YOU ARE LOSING MONEY IN THE QUIXTAR BUSINESS YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING "WRONG" AND YOU NEED TO CHECK UPLINE....IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A SELF-FUNDING BUSINESS AND IF YOU DO IT "RIGHT" THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

It actually costs $47 to join Quixtar for the first year, then $30 to renew each year thereafter. The $140 I saw quoted above must include some books or tapes or something. That's the MAJOR problem with Quixtar. Too many people lie about it to make an extra buck. Please see my post under the blog that is headed "meeting with a Quixtar drone" or words to thsat effect.
Kevin

Tim, usually I wuold agree with you about the political blogs on this site, but I have to say you are dead wrong about Quixtar. I started in Novemember and I am making money. I am a full-time college student so I obviously do not have a ton of time to spend on this. I have not produced a single "loser" to earn my money. I have successfully sold the products on the Quixtar website that perform better an are cheaper than name brand store products. These products also have a 6-month satisfaction guranantee, which is not available in stores.

I have no IBO's underneath me, but when I do sign one up, I get absolutly nothing of the $47 sign-up fee or whatever it is. I get ZERO. It is not beneficial for me to merely sign people up and forget about them. I earn when they earn.

People don't understand that this is one of the most simple businesses ever created. So simple, it's almost confusing. It's exactly the same as a McDonald's franchise, just without the overhead cost and with thousands more products.

As far as tapes and books go, I did not see the need for them when I first signed up and was thinking very conservativley. I didn't want to spend money on them that I might not get back (this is before I understood how the business worked really) I was fortunate enough to have an IBO that would loan me his for free. I listened to some and read some, and if you do so with the intent of learning, they were very helpful. I am building my business with honesty and integrity and I am becoming more and more successful. The people that don't get it to work are either being taken advantage of by irresponsible upline IBO's and/or are using a terrible business strategy. With a basic understanding (and i stress basic, because I didn't know the first thing about business when I started) of how to do business, anyone can create a risidual income WITHOUT making "losers."

Tom --

If you have no IBO's beneath you, then how exactly are you making any money?

Tom,

I thank you for your principled disagreement and feedback! But I think you're misunderstanding my position, which you can better understand by reading the other Quixtar-related posts on this blog.

Tim, usually I wuold agree with you about the political blogs on this site, but I have to say you are dead wrong about Quixtar. I started in Novemember and I am making money. I am a full-time college student so I obviously do not have a ton of time to spend on this. I have not produced a single "loser" to earn my money. I have successfully sold the products on the Quixtar website that perform better an are cheaper than name brand store products. These products also have a 6-month satisfaction guranantee, which is not available in stores.

You say I am "dead wrong", but then go on to make a point I've never disputed. I am not so much against selling Quixtar products as I'm against doing "the plan" or "the system".

You are not even doing "the plan" if you are simply buying a product and re-selling it for a higher cost.

Have you ever seen me complain or write against Pampered Chef, Avon, Creative Memories, or any of those other reselling systems? No. Why is that? Because I have no problem with buying products and re-selling them. That's called capitalism, or trade (depending on who's doing the calling). In case it was somehow unclear, I'm no Marxist. :-)

People don't understand that this is one of the most simple businesses ever created. So simple, it's almost confusing. It's exactly the same as a McDonald's franchise, just without the overhead cost and with thousands more products

If you're simply re-selling a product, it's no different than what the girl scouts do when they sell cookies. That's not an issue.

But, again, you're not doing "the plan", and "the plan" is nothing like McDonald's.

It looks like I have made a few mistakes. Some of the positions I thought you held I had mistakenly mixed you up with other posts that I have read, not only from this site, but from others too. My apology, Tim.

I guess it is fair to say that I haven't actually "started the plan" because I haven't hired any IBO's under me. I am making money from people purchasing their household cleaners off of quixtar.com right now. I am speaking with a few who are interested in becoming IBO's and I'm sure they will sign up within the next two weeks. I will be a responsible upline and help them to succeed with minimal up-front investments. If they want to read books or listen to tapes, I would much rather loan them mine than have them buy their own. The more money that people spend before any return is recieved, the more discouraged they can become, and the longer it takes to break even and actually make a profit. My whole upline team works in the same manner as I have just described. My team is a winning, honest team, dedicated to helping people succeed. If after six months the IBO's arent making money and are discouraged, I will tell them to get out and get their money back. (Six month risk-free trial) I want to create income and help people succeed, but not at the expense of others.

I'm sure you would have no problem with that. I'm guessing your problem is with the IBO's that do not run the business with similar goals. I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that it is possible to earn money at the expense of no one. A successful team of IBO's can be built without creating any "losers."

I went to a few open meetings where they show you all that dream stuff and "get rich quick" stuff and that really turns me off. I don't need to explain why. What kept me going is that I knew it worked and I knew it wasn't hard, if done correctly. After being in it for a little while, going back to meetings like that make a lot more sense. I have a little more tolerance for them now, because they are actually right. I would never take someone to one and I don't like going to them myself, but I am starting to understand that they are right, even if they probably have the worst method of teaching it. The way they explain it sure makes it seem like a scam.

Tom,

I am speaking with a few who are interested in becoming IBO's and I'm sure they will sign up within the next two weeks. I will be a responsible upline and help them to succeed with minimal up-front investments. If they want to read books or listen to tapes, I would much rather loan them mine than have them buy their own. The more money that people spend before any return is recieved, the more discouraged they can become, and the longer it takes to break even and actually make a profit. My whole upline team works in the same manner as I have just described. My team is a winning, honest team, dedicated to helping people succeed. If after six months the IBO's arent making money and are discouraged, I will tell them to get out and get their money back. (Six month risk-free trial) I want to create income and help people succeed, but not at the expense of others.

I'm sure you would have no problem with that.

You would be wrong. But the point isn't that *I* would have a problem with that. The point is that you should have a problem with that.

I'll explain in a moment...

I'm guessing your problem is with the IBO's that do not run the business with similar goals.

Wrong again. Quixtar IBOs are programmed to think this way: "People only oppose Quixtar because they met a few bad IBOs."

No, friend. I'm met some wonderful IBOs. Many seeem like very nice people. And what they're doing is harmful. It doesn't become less harmful if you're nice about it.

Years ago, doctors proscribed Thalidamide as a sedativive for women. They certainly meant well. But the drug caused birth defects.

I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that it is possible to earn money at the expense of no one. A successful team of IBO's can be built without creating any "losers."

No, you're quite wrong. The minute you tell them to sign anyone up, and give them a financial motive for doing so, is the minute you admit my point and start the process of harming people.

Of course it was started already. See? You're starting to sign people up now. Just as your sponsor did you with you. Just as you will do to them. You are a frog in water; the temperature is rising.

In the end, the market will be saturated. There is no escape. It may not happen to you. It may not happen to people you sign up. But in the end, one of two things must occur...

(1) Someone can't find anyone to sign up, and wastes a lot of time in a saturated market, and/or

(2) Starts consuming the product themselves, beyond what they would want or need otherwise, including a loss for as long as they do this.

Unless you fail, and possibly even if you do, this will happen to many, many people.

And I think the martket's pretty close to being saturated anyway, so you'll probably be the one getting stiffed, or those you sign up.

People don't typically quit right away when this happens. Some go months or even years in this situation, trying to make it work. And as people get increasingly desparate, some will just drop out, but some will become increasingly unethical. Though you may not be guilty of the specific acts they commit, you will be the one who created the environment in which they did them, and you will have profited from them.

Good luck to you with these decisions. Let me know if I can do anything to help.

The possibility for failure is a reality in any business. A market that is satisfied with what they have and aren't interested in a new product is always a reality. How is this so much different? It costs much less to try this as opposed to a franchise with overhead costs. Signing up new IBO's is like expanding my franchise. I live in Minnesota and go to college in Iowa. If I sign up someone in Kentucky, a place I won't visit often, I have expanded the reach of my business to Kentucky. If I bought a Taco Bell restaurant, there is no guarantee that I will be successful and I might lose a lot of money and time that was invested in it. Tough. I won't lose nearly as much in this business as I would in a Taco Bell. But like I said before, I don't actually need to have IBO's in order to earn money. The reason why I would have down-line IBO's is to expand my business to other places.

The market becoming saturated is a long ways off. Quixtar has a small plurality of sales in a few catagories, but not a majority by far.

"Quixtar-powered Independent Business Owners (IBOs) generated revenues of $1.035 billion for Quixtar for the fiscal year ended Aug. 31, 2003, up from $901 million the year before. Also, IBOs generated an additional $58.3 million in revenues for Quixtar’s Partner Stores in fiscal 2003. Since the company’s launch, IBOs have generated revenues of more than $3.1 billion for Quixtar and more than $250 million for Partner Stores."

Tom,

And now we go through the inevitable process of deflating the arguments, one by one. Sorry.

The possibility for failure is a reality in any business. A market that is satisfied with what they have and aren't interested in a new product is always a reality. How is this so much different?

Because it's not merely a possibility in this business. It's how the winners make money. Re-read the chain letter example I took the time to write out for you. Please think about it -- my time is valuable, and I'm offering to spend it on you because, though you may not believe this, I'm trying to help you and your future victims.

For simplicity, imagine you have a hundred people. You tell one person she will make money if they sign up six others, and the six others do too. She tells 6. The 6 tell 36. Now there are 43 people signed up, and one with their costs covered. And the 36 have... only about 1.2 people left for each. They will fail. So will any they sign up. It will take them a long time, and a lot of effort to realize this. And if they're "consuming product" at higher costs, they'll lose that too.

They will be told they were just "losers" and didn't try hard enough. But trying harder would just shift the loss from one to another -- if everyone tried much, much harder all things would be no different.

Do you see? It fails because it must. Not because someone was unethical. Not because every business can fail. The one guy at the top made a killing, and six did pretty good by talking a group of people into a venture which mathematically had to to fail. The rest, who were all told the glorious story of the one sat the top, were all just cannon fodder.

The only part unknown is whether you're at the bottom or the top. I'm guessing you're at the bottom.

The market becoming saturated is a long ways off. Quixtar has a small plurality of sales in a few catagories, but not a majority by far.

So you think you're going to be at the top. (Don't they all?) But, if what I'm saying about the model is true, isn't that an ethically worse position to be in? Better to be the con man then the mark, eh? Wouldn't it be better to be neither?

Where you are in the chain doesn't change the way the process works. The real question isn't how far off saturation is -- it's whether it occurs at all, or not.

And it does. Just saying it's far off is a way of saying that you don't care what happens to a lot of people as long as you are fine and don't have to look at it, personally. Being a direct part of the responsibility for their potential suffering, isn't that worth considering?

So now you'll have to tell yourself saturation doesn't happen, lest you admit what it means.

I know what your next response will be (or should be, anyway), so I'll save you the trouble: Population grown doesn't happen fast enough to stop saturation. 0.6% isn't enough. Even 5% wouldn't be enough. It just drags out the end stages a bit.

Kumar, is it a business or a relegion? or some social improvement scheme?

BWW says it's just a business?

ok so i've been reading these back and forth arguments and im just throwing in my tow cents.

For the record I have not joind BWW but been to 2 meetings.

Here are my thoughts:

1. they tell you that you don't have to bring people underneath you to make money.
This is true but not realy. If you don't bring people underneath you and just buy the products yourself (and maybe your parents and friends buy too) then you make about $30 to $50 a month from your "bonus checks".

2. One thing that alot of people haven't talked about is the products themselves. I keep hearing this back and forth arguments about how its a pyramid scheme and how its not a scam and you have to have "big dreams" but no one is talking about the simple fact: 99% of this country won't buy the products b/c they just aren't that good of a deal. With websites like, Ebay, Amazon, Overstock who the hell would go to Quixtar to buy something. Thats the main logical disfunction of this whole system to me. Sure you can try to compare this to Mcdonalds or TacoBell but the simple fact is this: if i buy a tacobell fanchise i know somethig for sure PEOPLE LIKE FOOD, PEOPLE LIE TACOS, I SHOULDN'T HAVE A HARD TIME SELLING MY PRODUCT. There is no comparison between fastfood chains and Quixtar.
For any of you people you are in the program now and firm believers in it, please give me some examples of great deals for sale, i don't care it can be anything, MP3 players, computers, clothes, tv's. Don't give me this crap on pills and face creams im talking about products that most of us would use.

so ultimatley what happens is the IBO realizes that he is not selling this item fast enought and that his parents and friends just aren't gonna buy enough of this crap to make him any real money so the next logical step is to bring in some people beneath you to help you sell some stuff. Maybe these new guys are better at selling, maybe they know some people that know some people who need some vitamins and face creams, and so the pyramid starts.

Im not saying that there haven't been some people that have made great money from this system and are rich but I would safely say for evey rich succesfull person in the company there are 500 to 1000 faliures. So those are you odds, 1 out of 500 at best.
are you a gambling man, i am but i don't like those odds.

Well, if you all think that it is so wrong and is basically a pyramiad, what makes you think you know better than the leagal advisors of the thousands of companies that are in partnership with this corporation?
By the way, just that you may know, you only make money by referring people to the website and they make purchases(creating volume). You basically act as the commercial and you have a choice to either refer people and earn from the corporation through the volume created or you may choose to just purchase stuff by yourself and get a relatively low pay back. The point is, whenever you refer anyone to the website, their money is not and will not end up in the person who does the referring. The money goes to the corporation(in exchange for goods and services) and the corporation pays the referring person a bonous based on the volume created.
Buying CDs and books is optional. Colleges always determine what books you are supposed to buy and you get a choice whether to buy or not, bottom line being, in school, your success largely depends on how much you study and that is the same case here, buy the books and CDs, learn and apply and you get wealthy.
You know, there are thousands upon thousands of people that are doing this and are making money. The FTC has no problem with the corporation, the BBB has no problems either, the partner companies have no problems either but those who do either tried and gave up too soon or don't even know what goes on but argue based on what they have heard from misinformed people.
None of you complainig here have come up with a way that I can create an extra ammount of money and if you did, perhaprs you would get some people to work with you and some to sit there and complain about you. However, just like in college, not everyone there graduates and further more, not every graduate gets the kind of job he wants. However, they don't go about telling everyone else how they were ripped by the school since they failed their classes for not wanting to purchase books or not going to class.
So please, if you were not strong enough to make it work for you and you didn't want to try hard enough, don't ruin it for those who want to make it work for them. College students are making it big, already debt free proffessionals are making it and so is everyone who wants it to work hard enough.Get more information before you go about accusing people or just keep it to yourself and watch it grow.
thnx

Nice comments 'frm_va'.

But let me 'edify' you on a couple of things (edify means to educate to enlighten, dispite what you may have been told by your upline if you didn't know that).

As far as the 'partnership' of these thousands of other companies you speak of. Quixtar basically plays the part of the middleman for them. You or I could just as easily 'partner' with these companies by adding them to our websites. And most of these companies will tell you flat out (and have on some occaisions) that their relationship with Quixtar is one of supplier/vendor and nothing more.

You also mention thousands and thousands of people who are doing this and making money. If we agree that making money means that your bonus check at the end of the month is more than what you spent in that same month then I'll ask you this:

Can you provide me with just 10 names of people who have made diamond in the last 5 years that became IBOs AFTER September of 1999? You can't can you? That's because there have not been any Quixtar diamonds. They're all former Amway distributors. So much for success.

You ask for better Ideas. Take a look at this post:

http://sinkinginquixand.blogspot.com/2004/09/alternatives.html#comments

There's a bunch of alternatives to Quixtar for you.

You also mention the fact that not all who attend college will graduate. This is very true but what you fail to realize in your regurgitated 'tapespeak' is that the turnover rate for those involved in Quixtar is 100%! This means that for every IBO who joins each year, the same amount quit (the numbers of distributors/IBOs has not changed in 30 years!). AND based on my last example of how many new diamonds have cropped up in the last 5 years, that's a ZERO percent 'graduation' rate for Quixtar with diamond level being the benchmark for success (after all you don't see couples who are supplementing their income in the Quixtar success stories do you).

A word of advise: lay off the tapes for a while and get some real information.

Peace. And God bless.

frm_va:

That's all well and good, but it has nothing to do with anything I commented on.

I'm not trying to pick on you but you have just succeeded in putting your foot in your mouth just as every other IBO who is presented with these questions has.

I know they teach duplication in Quixtar but I'm not sure this is what they had in mind.

If it's truly working for you (per the example of what making money means in my last comment) then I congratulate you. If not (and you're the only one who will really know) then be honest with yourself and see if you can at least answer these questions on your own. Do your own homework and see if you can verify just one of the 'facts' you quoted above that I questioned.

Good luck.

What I don't understand is that there are far better and concrete opportunities than Quixtar to raise money. Quixtar IS hard work. Amway is a household joke and Quixtar is earning the same name now. Building an MLM with that stigma attached, why?

Peter is dead on. To sell overpriced lotion and potion, one better be GOOD. And this is the honest part of the plan, selling! After the natural evolution of a MLM / pyramid, only way left is to sell tools.

A message to every one: Earning some extra cash is NOT hard. It can be done without Quixtar. Just look properly.

Good answers. A minor addition:

Well, if you all think that it is so wrong and is basically a pyramiad, what makes you think you know better than the leagal advisors of the thousands of companies that are in partnership with this corporation?

"Legal advisors" advise on what is legal. Nobody here is saying Quixtar is illegal. My contention is that Quixtar is unethical and generally incredibly unprofitable, not illegal. It's not "illegal" to lie to a friend or tattoo the word "STUPID" on your forehead. Does that instantly make these actions profitable and ethical?

What kind of silly reasoning is that?

Regarding Quixtar's many "partners": Yes, many companies make some money by "partnering" with Quixtar. But an IBO is not in the same situation.

The IBO is the consumer, not the supplier of these products. Just because it's profitable for the suppliers does not mean it will be profitable for you. You're the one buying their products and giving them your money -- usually at a marked-up cost.

For example, there's a local lottery. Lots of stores "partner" with the lottery to sell tickets. They profit. But that doesn't prove, somehow, that playing the lottery is profitable for me. As a lottery ticket buyer, I'm in a completely different situation.

Lexus sells a lot of cars. Does that mean you're going to make a profit by buying one? How does a parnter making a profit mean you're going to make one? Your situation isn't even remotely similar.

Saying "this is legal" is such a dumb argument. Why do people fall for this? Sticking your head in a pail of mud is legal. But what will that do for you?

"Legal" does not mean something is ethical.

"Legal" does not mean something will be profitable for you.

Please start thinking for yourself and asking those questions.

Sorry for kicking what should be a dead horse, but I'm constantly amazed that people can't see that the IBO role is nothing like the role of those who create the products IBOs buy.

I think the other responses above from Imran and Jason addressed frm_va's other points extermely well.

Regarding legality issue, please read Quixtar own rules. I'll be honest with you. Those rules make Quixtar legal. I'll be even more honest with you. 99% IBOs do NOT follow those rules, making it illegal. They haven't read them either!

Does Quixtar want to be legal and enforce those rules? No. So that makes Quixtar ...uh....not so legal. I'll call partner of crime.

I cant believe how many stupid people there are in this world. My god, do all of you Ambots actually believe that your upline leadership really gives a damn about you being successful. Not many people in this world actually truely care about other people, and when it comes to making money, that number is even lower. Rest assured that the only pockets that a diamond is worried about filling is his own. Why would a complete stranger tell you that if you follow his plan, you can have the good life, are all of the diamonds just good samaritans? Hardly, they are lining their pockets with your money, and thats their only motivation, thats the only reason they care about you. Is this a pretty cynical view, yeah it is, is it true, hell yes. Open your eyes fools, nobody cares about you except for your own family and friends. And if someones you dont know claims to be your friend and wants to help you make money and have fun and make all of your dreams come true, you just have to follow thier plan, overlook your greed and ask yourself why this person gives damn about you. Believe me, its not because you look like winner, or you look like an interesting person, or they just care about helping people out, you are just another mark.

have fun guys..get me a mentor, who can show me how to prosper..school didn't teach me that, my boss never tells me that..i was broke..bankrupt..
quixtar works..it's hardwork for lazy nerds, who have low self esteem and want easy money..you guys should work in stock exchanges to get a real idea of corporate america and then come and talk all this shit..go ask your dad how much he worked and how much he earn and then go ask a britt diamond if you can contact..how much he earns..go ask bill gates what he does..go ask the ebay guys how many scams has be been involved in then talk anything about quixtar..stop google from promoting gmail, and all the other stuff..you guys are not fit to be blessed and helped and brought up in life. so chill, take a nap and tomorrow morning when u wake up see you depressed, stressed, frustrated, sucked and tired.

I see fiction-writing is alive and well. Even if grammar, capitalization, and punctuation are dead on arrival, at least in the Quixtar IBO community.

(Is there some rule saying pro-Quixtar folks need to be incapable of writing clearly?)

You say anyone who doesn't do Quixtar is a "lazy nerd". How is it possible to level that accusation against others when you can't even put in the effort capitalize your own words or make full sentences while promoting your business? Can you not see you're being unintentionally hilarious?

Everyone else can; you're only fooling yourself.

you guys should work in stock exchanges to get a real idea of corporate america

No, stock exchanges will tell you about the financial industry, not average corporate America. I've worked in both. I have no doubt you've spent precious little time in either.

go ask a britt diamond if you can contact..how much he earns

StevieB, maybe if your system actually worked you wouldnt have to get rejected over and over. If you were actually tought how to prospect the right people, not just anybody on the street, you might see some results. Thats a huge part of the problem with AmQuix(A/Q), they(the A/QMO's) target everyone. It's because they dont really care about you, they only want numbers. Getting rejected over and over doesnt sound like a plan for success, it sounds like beating your head against a concrete wall over and over expecting different results every time. Having a thick skull does not equal "mental toughness". You Ambots say the same crap over and over. So according to you, anyone that quits A/Q has quit on thier dreams? Steve, youre so full of crap it's coming out of your ears. Cant you see how your "leadership" has programmed you to think leaving A/Q means that you are giving up on your future? A/Q is not the only road to success, people are doing it every day, you cant say that about A/Q. Less than 1% of anyone involved in A/Q ever turns a solid profit. The real money is made not by selling products, but by selling the tapes and books that I'm willing to bet are laying all over your home. Only the leadership get a cut of this cash. Open your eyes Steve, you are getting screwed and manipulated, THEY ARE TAKING YOUR MONEY!

I forgot to add one thing. Steve, how many people exactly have achieved "financial freedom" in the Britt system since Quixtar opened in 1999? I'll give you a hint, it's the same number as your IQ, 0. All of the Britt diamonds moved over from Amway. Five years and nobody has made it yet. Sounds like a great system, where do I sign. BTW, why arent you out STP'ing? Youre never going to make it to triple scoop diamond commander sitting in front of your computer.

I love the time and effort that people that are not in the britt system put in to stop people from trying to use the system to bring themselves financial freedom.

Glad to hear that. I'm sure Tim will be glad. We'll keep it up. You like it right?

Sure the system is not for everyone.

Yup, it's for naive ppl, like I was when I got sponsored. I was a new immigrant in Canada and never heard 'A' word. (Amway). I believed that it is a 'new' ideology, partner of Microsoft and IBM (Being an IT professional that was enough for me) and poorest diamond make $400K. Lies, deceit and fraud.

Not everyone is mentally tough enough to face rejection over and over again, yet the people that do gain the financial freedom that they know they are worth. The only people that the system does not work for is the quitters. People that quit on their dreams. For those that are in the system good luck

You wanna talk about quitters? Rich Devos and Jay Van-andel were distributes of Nutrilite. They QUIT, formed Amway and sponsored Nutrilite people. Now they hate when Bo Short does the same thing, although Bo Short left on much high moral ground.

formerdiamond.com

And how about all the diamonds who 'quit' their other business / job to 'retire' ;););)

And wanna talk rejection? It's not rejection, it's slow painful realization of the lies person is told to.

Realization # 1: In plan they show that 70% of money is wasted on middleman in actual business, and all I have to do is redirect and save $$. But Quixtar products are WAY too expensive. How come they didn't show me before signing up?

Realization # 2: They ain't no partner of Microsoft or IBM

Realization # 3: That life changing seminar was actually 6 times a year and it's all same!!! so are tapes.

Realization # 4: My sponsor is not that 'wide' as platinum claimed. I'm his only downline!!! Man that guy is slow :D

Realization # 5: My 'oh so rich' platinum's house is more crappy than mine.

Realization # 6: That 'new' sapphire in upline LOS is in business for 9 years :o

Realization # 7: There is no security even in platinum. Neither much $$$. Emerald equates to corporate job. By then u r getting good tool $$$.

Realization # 8: ppl above u do ANY thing to take money from u, conferences, banquettes, tapes, seminars, even the hotel room for seminar has diamond code and diamond, as they book in bulk and sell u @ profit.

Realization # 9: That’s how u'll make money. Lie to ppl knowing that 99% majority will never even break even and suck as much money as u can. They are NOT helping u.

Realization # 10: Poorest diamond does not make $400K. An average diamond makes $90K or so.

Realization # 11: Pins are just once achievement. E.g Many diamonds, platinums, silvers are not at that pin level any more. Infact, majority of diamond ship fell right after they go diamond and plug in to pool money. As they had bought that pin level.

Realization # 12: Every body buy pins, or at one point they have done that......or force downline to buy more so they can reach more. From 300 PV to CAM. Winners make u stretch ;) (Tape title)

Realization # 13: Majority lower pins are broke and in financial trouble. Even including some platinums.

Realization # 14: You never gonna be 'be ur own boss' as u have signed up BSMAA, given ur right to go to court. Thus at the mercy of some top SOB.

Realization # 15: There is no financial security. Quixtar had terminated CAM ships and Diamond ships.

So after that, I didn't need any rejection to quit and no motivation could keep me.

You must be happy that I spent 10 minutes typing it :) I'll be happy if u read it. We both are happy :)

Peace.

I was approached by a lady today in Barnes & Noble with a business card and some flashy talk about starting my own business. This was the third time was approached in this particular Barnes & Noble. I was sure it was all too good to be true.

Logical Mind: Which LOS you were in? I was also in Gala LOS, and it is most abusive.

I was in Kumar - Kankan - Vishal ...... Ahmer - Wahid line. Know any of them?

what are the products that you have to sell/buy?
Can I buy bread?

No. No perishables. U still have to go to grocery store :)

Mostly Vitamins and Make up + Skin care, stuff normal ppl spend 1/20th less than Quixtar.

One question,
If everyone believes that this business works and start with this business,and then where does last set of people in the world should go to make money?....MOON? MARS??????????????

prabhu -- Heheh, excellent point! "Showing the plan" doesn't feed anyone. Put a bunch of Quixtar IBOs on an island, tell them only to do Quixtar-related activity, and they'll starve to death very quickly.

You morons listen!

This is the reason why there are so many broke psedo intellectuals in the world, who give free advice. You guys are destined to sit in the stupid cubicle until you are 65 and bitch about life and others. I can give answers to all your stupid questions, but I wont!! Guys, are you smarter and financially savvy than Zig Zaglar, Robert Kiosaki, Paul zane pilzer etc, think about it what they say about network marketing. Hold on...they are not amwy or Q* guys. Guys, do you know what you are talking about? you know what pyramid scheme means? Somebody puts something on the internet and you belive it? Someone rightly called the internet the 'bathroom wall of society'. Guys, being in the business for one year listening to tapes and reading books ONLY doesn't result in the success in the business. Show me your calander for the one year you were in the business i will tell you why it dint work for you. Taking membership in a Gym doesn't make you like governer of california. The person who told that you cannot sell and market anything in this business, you are WRONG. I make decent profits in retail from this business, nto counting networking. If you are making so much money in your current profession after 10,15 years of education and experiance, how do you expect to make couple of thousand bucks in 2 years in this business? what makes you think that you moron? Any business takes 5-7 years to break even and get into profits. The pay check mentality gets you frustrated and makes you look for results in a year. Your upline makes money of off you?? are you kidding me? which planet do you come from? How much money your current company makes on you? dont you have a problem with that? this is a business not a charity. regarding tapes, why does microsoft charge hundreds of dollars on a CD which costs few cents? did you ever thought of that? If you want to be a doctor, dont get an advice from a medical school drop out if being a medical doctor is good or not or if that profession is good. He will give his 100 different reasons why being a doctor is not good and it will not work. Go to a successful doctor and ask some valid and intelligent questions not knucle head questions like walmart prices are lower than Q* prices etc. First change how you think then you will get a different perspective of anything not only this business. If you are savvy enough to analyze a $6b company you will not be sittting in that stupid cubicle instead of spending time with your family. Wake up and get a life!!

YEAH MOMMY!!!! Another Ambot to play with!!!!! My last one broke, Ambots seem to be very fragile. Take it easy everyone, this one is fired up. Dont want to scare him away, that is if he has the balls to come back anyways. You guys notice how most Ambots "hit and run"? How could you not notice? Well SunnyDelight, now that you have puked your rhetoric all over this blog, why dont you get down to some cold, hard numbers. You basically said nothing of substance in your last post, why dont you prove to us why Quixtar is so great. Why over the last 40 years the company has not grown one bit? Why is the IBO turn over rate so high? Why is there so much negative information about AmQuix in existance, even before the internet came about? Why is AmQuix not a pyramid scheme in your eyes? Why do all Ambots feel the need to berate others? Why dont you know a damn thing about your own company? How much research did you do before signing up, and where did you get your info?

One more question. Why do almost all Ambots write in incoherent run on sentences that are indecipherable?

Whoa buddy, you're gonna take off just like that. The debate hasnt even begun. You have not answered a single question, you just spewed forth with more rhetoric that you heard from your upline. You wont answer our questions because you dont have the answers. Your "bathroom walls" argument is completely ignorant, the voices you are trying to stiffle are ones with a hell of a lot more knowledge about AmQuix than you. You proved this point the second you posted here, you know almost nothing about what you are involved in. I'll start over with one very simple question. Why dont you tell us what percentage of IBO's make it to EDC?