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Quixtar Blog: Robert FitzPatrick, of Pyramid Scheme Alert, has filed a request with the North Carolina Attorney General to begin an official investigation of Britt World Wide. The investigation request (pdf) cites "deception" revealed in the NBC Dateline show and complaints from consumers as reasons for an investigation. It describes Britt's organization as a "classic pyramid" where goods (tapes, books and seminars) are sold within the system and participants can only recoup their investment by recruiting more participants.
hi Posted by: dinesh on October 5, 2004 07:52 AM hello Posted by: DINESH SOLANKI on October 5, 2004 08:06 AM Dinesh, why don't you learn how to speak Posted by: dliv on October 5, 2004 12:36 PM It's taking action in UK too! http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/action/UKaction.html Posted by: Imran Aziz on October 12, 2004 10:11 PM I am really confused about the whole thing...is it a profit our is it just another get rich quick all American scheme? Posted by: noz on October 13, 2004 08:26 AM u got it noz, it's a very old another get rich quick all American scheme, hence the name am way, American way. 1959 - 2004. BWW sells tapes, books and seminars to ppl trying to make money off Amway. At ridiculously higher prices. Majority of ppl end up losing time and money and are labeled as losers when the leave Posted by: Imran Aziz on October 13, 2004 12:50 PM Anyone who knows anything about business knows both the system and the Business Works! once investigated, they will find this is a business whith integrity! Look it up in the Federal Trade Commision Reports! Posted by: Steve on October 14, 2004 01:50 AM Dont be confused use resources like the Federal Trade Commission and the bbb they both find this business to to reputable. they did 4 billion last year, they are completely debt free, they are based in over 70 contries and yes they have a great system and over 15,000 products. Toothpaste through Natural Gass(Columbia Gas)mci, coca cola, ect you have to work at this business 2-5 years and not give up that's where a lot of people don't make it they don't utilize the system. People give up too easily just look at our divorse rate in america 65% Posted by: Steve on October 14, 2004 01:56 AM Steve, system works? Works for whom might be more accurate. It works for the top few. Yes it does. But is it working for the majority? According to Amway press release:
Today: 340,000 in North America. You call a shrinking business working? Where are the 3-4 month platinum’s and 2-5 years diamonds? Rest, ppl come, ppl go. "System" sells the tapes, seminars, books, communiKate to all and make money. Cost of producing tape: 50 cents, sell at $6-$8.00 Book: They get huge discount from amazon.com etc. and sell you at PROFIT. not the cost they get it. Try ordering books in big volume say 1000. Seminars: Many time cities let them use a hall for free for the business they give to city (shops, travel, hotel etc.). Hotels give discounts when u book at large number. Diamonds give u a code and make profit on it. Most of the time they get their suit for free! Try booking 50 rooms in a hotel and see the free rooms and discount u get. Legality: Amway paid 25M in Canada. Was found guilty. FTC 1977, there were lot of RETAIL going on THEN. Not now. Also tools are pushed real bad now. We'll see buddy. Posted by: Imran Aziz on October 14, 2004 12:46 PM Anyone who knows anything about business knows both the system and the Business Works! Fact is, many naive non-business savvy people end up doing it. I hardly saw any business person doing it. Right now it is focusing towards the students and immigrants! Sad, bad and sick. Look it up in the Federal Trade Commission Reports! Posted by: Imran Aziz on October 14, 2004 09:12 PM I came upon this searching about the business I just joined. I don't want to argue others opinion, but I do want to give my own. Posted by: Blacksmurf on October 22, 2004 03:12 PM For those who disagree with this business realize that while you are buying products from Walmart and the other stores, their owners are making money and only helping us by providing goods. THe owners of Walmart are the top 3-7 on the forbes list and I bet they charge all their stores for products (that smiley face sign) and others that are purchased weekly. Posted by: Blacksmurf on October 22, 2004 03:17 PM could anyone give me more info on what this business really does and exactly how you make the money? Posted by: on October 23, 2004 03:19 AM how much do you invest? and how long before your first payday? the last post is mine too. thanx for the help. Posted by: MasterTrainer on October 23, 2004 03:22 AM More Information.... Posted by: Blacksmurf on October 23, 2004 10:56 AM First of all, anyone who thinks this is not a pyramid scam is fooling themselves. What I question is how those whom have fallen prey to BWW can get up and look in the mirror every morning and tell themselves they are doing a service to their community. What benefit do you provide? NONE! You talk about the business model and I feel you have left a certain part out. Each person only makes money by recruiting more people into the system. You can’t make money selling this junk in the free marked. Nobody wants it. Tapes, books and seminars? Come on, who in their right mind is going to buy that crap from a company like BWW or Amway. The supporters of BWW should all look in the mirror and ask themselves if they really feel that they are doing something positive for the community. Are the products and services you are providing really helping anyone, or are they just being re-sold to new BWW recruits? Remember, in order for goods and services to move through the free market and be beneficial for the economy there has to be consumption. For example, when I go to Wal-Mart (and by the way I was approached by one of you BWW morons in Wal-Mart) and I buy popcorn I actually consume the popcorn. I benefit from the goods provided by Wal-Mart. These pyramid scams are scams because they lack consumption in the market. They can only be consumed by suckers who fall into the system, or opportunists who take advantage of the suckers. So the supporters need to ask yourself, are you a sucker or an opportunist? Just remember, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Posted by: Mike on October 25, 2004 07:33 AM I forgot to mention: DON'T GIVE THESE PEOPLE ANY MONEY! The $140 and $20/month is how they make money. Those are the tapes they sell, $20/mo to you. You know who you are going to sell them to? Other suckers! Posted by: Mike on October 25, 2004 07:36 AM Lastly to say, find someone and attend a few open meetings, which are free to others, and create your own opinion. Don't take advice from someone without a plan for sucess, or somone who is not where you want to be in life. Plan for success: Yes. Hard work! Getting retired early is not a right dream. Some one somewhere would be working his ass off to keep you retired. If some one has a financial interest in you, of course he'll tell you what is his benefit, not always yours. My mortgage broker despite my financial position will say take mortgage from me. my upline will say not quit. My employer will say work more and store owner will say shop more. Point: Being a mentor of your customer is a bad business. In BWW, all IBOs are customers and diamonds etc. are selling them tapes. How diamonds could be the mentor of their own customers? They are boubd to give them mentor ship to buy more tapes for their own sake? I don't think they are qualified to give me advice. Posted by: Imran Aziz on October 25, 2004 12:48 PM You people are all so crazy. If you didn't like it fine, so do something else, but don't blab your jaw off and damper others dreams. Someone mentioned there were no products of consumption??? Well I buy my shampoo, my soap, my cleaner, my food, my make-up, my paper, my printer ink, some clothes, a filing cabinet, the lists goes on and on and on, and you know what? I consume all of those products. You aren't required to buy books and tapes, is it recommended yes, but not required. If you do buy them, try reading them or listening to them, you might learn something about yourself. Once you are done with your tools, you aren't suppose to go off and sell them to someone else, its called a personal library. People fail in this business because they don't have a large enough dream, they can't handle delayed gradification, and are so bull-headed that they can't listen to other successful people's advice. Many of you also say that you are making money off your downline. This is only true in part, yes you make money when they perform, but that money is not taken out of their pocket, it is from the corportation. The corporation doesn't advertise, so this money is given in bonuses instead. Some of you said you have gone to meetings and functions, well you obviously didn't listen with an open mind. Also, downline can make more money than there upline. My upline is not fully committed to building the business and that is fine, but I make money and he doesn't. Do the people above him make money yes, but if I worked harder then them, and grew my business larger than theirs then they wouldn't be making more money than me. This business is common sense, something some of you must not have. It is not a pyramid because we are not taking money from the people below us, the money is from the corporation. A protion of your check is not deducted to go to your upline. Ok, I need to stop reading this site, it is enough to make me sick. Posted by: bergsbam on October 28, 2004 07:33 PM You people are all so crazy. If you didn't like it fine, so do something else, but don't blab your jaw off and damper others dreams. What an amazingly weak foundation those "dreams" must have: simply discussing them is enough to "damper" them. It's almost like these people fear freedom of information. Nah.
Shouldn't *I* be the one to decide which books or tapes I find valuable enough to re-read? Otherwise, if I keep even the ones I'll never re-read, what happens? Will my library give off "library rays" which keep me pumped up? Gosh, it almost sounds like they're afraid the tapes shouldn't be re-sold because it might cut into future sales profits. Nah.
No, my friend, people fail in this business because that's how pyramid/matrix schemes are set up. The only way to get a winner is to produce a lot of losers. Each person pays a little to their upline. It takes many, many downlines to make a single upline even close to profitable. Each of those downlines must now sign up many, many more to recoup their losses. But there aren't sufficient prospects out there to do it (and population doesn't grow fast enough), so most of them will lose money. Their feelings, or how hard they hope Hope HOPE it comes true, has absolutely nothing to do with this mathematical certainty. You're being played for a sucker.
No, friend, it comes from markups in the price of products sold to their downlines -- which ultimately comes from the fact that downlines have to keep their day jobs while they lose money in this "system". That money doesn't come from space, my friend. Think: What does the company do? Oh yeah, it sells product. So the "extra" comes from where? Oh yeah, a markup in the price of the product.
Wrong again. The reason the corporation doesn't advertise is because they make their money by having IBOs buy their products while they prospect and prospect, and wait and wait and wait until they day they either give up or start to break even. The longer you can draw this out, the more product you will move. Word of mouth prospecting ensures it takes very long for this to occur. That's also the purpose of all the social functions and cult-like features: it's to bond you emotionally to the organization and keep you in the loop, purchasing product, as long as possible. Posted by: Tim on October 28, 2004 08:15 PM Thats a great to be a Britt Trainer Posted by: Subrata Ray on October 29, 2004 07:52 AM I was just aproached by one of the guys already in the bww line. he told me that it's a great opportunity to make money and he mentioned e-commerce and a lot of crap. i kept asking what it was about and how it works but he evaded my questions and said that in the seminar i will find out. it sounded too good to be true. i guess it is. i thought that it would be one of those get-rich quick schemes because he slipped something about giving some money to someone above and that sounded weird. also, if i was thinking if he is actually making as much money as he said he was, why would he want someone to get in and take a piece of his pie. i mean, if i'm making money off something, i'll try to make sure that i'll recieve as much profit out of it as i can. i realized that for him to make money he needs to recruit people. he also mentioned something about paying 20 dollars and that's what struck me. i try to be open minded but this bww business does sound like a pyramid scam. i mean, new people pay and portion of money you make goes upside; also, you need to recruit new people in order to profit yourself so that they pay and portion of the money goes to you. aren't those the characteristics of a pyramid scam? in the end, if you want to make money, get an education. i'm doing so and i believe that with hard work, education is the only thing that can actually make your hopes and dreams come true. Posted by: Marcelo Martinez on October 30, 2004 11:53 PM i kept asking what it was about and how it works but he evaded my questions and said that in the seminar i will find out. it sounded too good to be true. i guess it is. Your instincts are basicly right, but the whole point of getting you to the seminar is to defuse those warning signs. First, it's not about e-commerce. Sure Quixtar has a web site, but the fundamental business model would be (and was) no different without a web site. In fact, Quixtar IBOs don't really use the Internet much, until recently, they discouraged people from going on-line, probably fearing you'd read a comment like the above. The second angle of attack will be to reverse your impressions about whether this is a get-rich quick scheme, and whether it's about hard work and education. You will be told this isn't "get rich quick" because it will take you years. And "hard work" will be redefined to mean lots of shilling for Quixtar. And "education" will be redefined away from learning a new trade to buying the books and tapes on their reading list. Of course this is all silly, but it works on some people: Of course, compared to your day job, it's a "get rich quick[er]" scheme -- why would you be considering it if it wasn't implied to make more money for you, faster? And of course you're right: He wants to get you in because he will make money from you. Some of your money will go into his pocket. It's that simple, but they'll try hard to distract you from that initial simple understanding. Stick to your questions. And don't accept dodges which distract you with another question, but don't actually answer the one you asked. You'll be manipulated emotionally in a dozen ways. From what I hear, if you have a certain type of personality, you'll be more likely to fall for it. Good luck. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on October 31, 2004 11:51 AM guys Posted by: arun on November 4, 2004 06:37 AM Just reading up on some of the responses. I don't want to argue anyone's point, but I do want to throw a few ideas out... Posted by: Blacksmurf29 on December 11, 2004 09:51 AM More itdeas that i would like to express...if you only come to boards like this and post your ideas based on something someone posted that is or has not been involved, you recieve a false impression of the organization. Posted by: Blacksmurf on December 11, 2004 10:07 AM In response to the guy who wrote "in the end, if you want to make money, get an education. i'm doing so and i believe that with hard work, education is the only thing that can actually make your hopes and dreams come true." The books and the tapes ARE EDUCATION along with the learning lab of going out and "making the presentation" AKA showing the (marketing) plan. The tapes are not all "hype" ...some of the tapes are people's life stories....oral autobiographies. Probably not 100% accurate...(is any autobiography?) but enriching to hear nevertheless...."Humanities 101". Some tapes are life skills instructions....basic stuff like the importance of clipping your nose hairs and make fixing your teeth a high priority and how to buy a suit and tie a tie. If you didn't learn that at home...where are you gonna learn it? Some of the tapes teach basic financial principles...like live within your means...save something every month....hope for the best but prepare for the worst. The process of actually "showing the marketing plan" improves a persons communication skills, their ability to think on their feet...their confidence in speaking before groups. Learning to deal with objections...like most of the stuff posted at this website .... helps a person develop the ability to stand alone on what they believe. What a great side benefit. A word about the products.... the skin care stuff....actually helps your skin to LOOK better! ..it is very competitive in the market place both in quality and in price. The nutritional supplements...all organically grown...actually...make you HEALTHIER...have more energy....and less prone to infections...and include some great weight loss/maintenance products...there's even a website (free) that gives good sound advise on healthy menus and an exercise program. and the soap...well what can I say...it's good laundry soap...and I like how it smells... The stuff marketed through the system...it's not "cactus juice" And you know the partner store people...it's not a LOT of volume...because it's only 5 - 10% pv....BUT THE PRICE IS THE SAME AS IF YOU WENT TO THE WEBSITES DIRECT...you know...places like Barnes and Noble and Office Max....same price...but through the quixtar website you get tagged with the little IBO number on the way to "their" website, therefore get to add up your PV/BV for that little rebate at the end of the month. Even without counting customers or downline volume my rebate (the stuff I buy and use) is $16 - $150 a month. IF YOU ARE LOSING MONEY IN THE QUIXTAR BUSINESS YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING "WRONG" AND YOU NEED TO CHECK UPLINE....IT'S DESIGNED TO BE A SELF-FUNDING BUSINESS AND IF YOU DO IT "RIGHT" THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. Posted by: Sandy on December 17, 2004 02:11 AM It actually costs $47 to join Quixtar for the first year, then $30 to renew each year thereafter. The $140 I saw quoted above must include some books or tapes or something. That's the MAJOR problem with Quixtar. Too many people lie about it to make an extra buck. Please see my post under the blog that is headed "meeting with a Quixtar drone" or words to thsat effect. Posted by: kevin on December 18, 2004 08:43 PM Tim, usually I wuold agree with you about the political blogs on this site, but I have to say you are dead wrong about Quixtar. I started in Novemember and I am making money. I am a full-time college student so I obviously do not have a ton of time to spend on this. I have not produced a single "loser" to earn my money. I have successfully sold the products on the Quixtar website that perform better an are cheaper than name brand store products. These products also have a 6-month satisfaction guranantee, which is not available in stores. I have no IBO's underneath me, but when I do sign one up, I get absolutly nothing of the $47 sign-up fee or whatever it is. I get ZERO. It is not beneficial for me to merely sign people up and forget about them. I earn when they earn. People don't understand that this is one of the most simple businesses ever created. So simple, it's almost confusing. It's exactly the same as a McDonald's franchise, just without the overhead cost and with thousands more products. As far as tapes and books go, I did not see the need for them when I first signed up and was thinking very conservativley. I didn't want to spend money on them that I might not get back (this is before I understood how the business worked really) I was fortunate enough to have an IBO that would loan me his for free. I listened to some and read some, and if you do so with the intent of learning, they were very helpful. I am building my business with honesty and integrity and I am becoming more and more successful. The people that don't get it to work are either being taken advantage of by irresponsible upline IBO's and/or are using a terrible business strategy. With a basic understanding (and i stress basic, because I didn't know the first thing about business when I started) of how to do business, anyone can create a risidual income WITHOUT making "losers." Posted by: tom on December 21, 2004 02:39 AM Tom -- If you have no IBO's beneath you, then how exactly are you making any money? Posted by: kevin on December 21, 2004 07:41 AM Tom, I thank you for your principled disagreement and feedback! But I think you're misunderstanding my position, which you can better understand by reading the other Quixtar-related posts on this blog. Tim, usually I wuold agree with you about the political blogs on this site, but I have to say you are dead wrong about Quixtar. I started in Novemember and I am making money. I am a full-time college student so I obviously do not have a ton of time to spend on this. I have not produced a single "loser" to earn my money. I have successfully sold the products on the Quixtar website that perform better an are cheaper than name brand store products. These products also have a 6-month satisfaction guranantee, which is not available in stores. You say I am "dead wrong", but then go on to make a point I've never disputed. I am not so much against selling Quixtar products as I'm against doing "the plan" or "the system". You are not even doing "the plan" if you are simply buying a product and re-selling it for a higher cost. Have you ever seen me complain or write against Pampered Chef, Avon, Creative Memories, or any of those other reselling systems? No. Why is that? Because I have no problem with buying products and re-selling them. That's called capitalism, or trade (depending on who's doing the calling). In case it was somehow unclear, I'm no Marxist. :-)
If you're simply re-selling a product, it's no different than what the girl scouts do when they sell cookies. That's not an issue. But, again, you're not doing "the plan", and "the plan" is nothing like McDonald's. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on December 21, 2004 12:25 PM It looks like I have made a few mistakes. Some of the positions I thought you held I had mistakenly mixed you up with other posts that I have read, not only from this site, but from others too. My apology, Tim. I guess it is fair to say that I haven't actually "started the plan" because I haven't hired any IBO's under me. I am making money from people purchasing their household cleaners off of quixtar.com right now. I am speaking with a few who are interested in becoming IBO's and I'm sure they will sign up within the next two weeks. I will be a responsible upline and help them to succeed with minimal up-front investments. If they want to read books or listen to tapes, I would much rather loan them mine than have them buy their own. The more money that people spend before any return is recieved, the more discouraged they can become, and the longer it takes to break even and actually make a profit. My whole upline team works in the same manner as I have just described. My team is a winning, honest team, dedicated to helping people succeed. If after six months the IBO's arent making money and are discouraged, I will tell them to get out and get their money back. (Six month risk-free trial) I want to create income and help people succeed, but not at the expense of others. I'm sure you would have no problem with that. I'm guessing your problem is with the IBO's that do not run the business with similar goals. I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that it is possible to earn money at the expense of no one. A successful team of IBO's can be built without creating any "losers." I went to a few open meetings where they show you all that dream stuff and "get rich quick" stuff and that really turns me off. I don't need to explain why. What kept me going is that I knew it worked and I knew it wasn't hard, if done correctly. After being in it for a little while, going back to meetings like that make a lot more sense. I have a little more tolerance for them now, because they are actually right. I would never take someone to one and I don't like going to them myself, but I am starting to understand that they are right, even if they probably have the worst method of teaching it. The way they explain it sure makes it seem like a scam. Posted by: tom on December 21, 2004 01:21 PM Tom, I am speaking with a few who are interested in becoming IBO's and I'm sure they will sign up within the next two weeks. I will be a responsible upline and help them to succeed with minimal up-front investments. If they want to read books or listen to tapes, I would much rather loan them mine than have them buy their own. The more money that people spend before any return is recieved, the more discouraged they can become, and the longer it takes to break even and actually make a profit. My whole upline team works in the same manner as I have just described. My team is a winning, honest team, dedicated to helping people succeed. If after six months the IBO's arent making money and are discouraged, I will tell them to get out and get their money back. (Six month risk-free trial) I want to create income and help people succeed, but not at the expense of others. I'm sure you would have no problem with that. You would be wrong. But the point isn't that *I* would have a problem with that. The point is that you should have a problem with that. I'll explain in a moment... I'm guessing your problem is with the IBO's that do not run the business with similar goals. Wrong again. Quixtar IBOs are programmed to think this way: "People only oppose Quixtar because they met a few bad IBOs." No, friend. I'm met some wonderful IBOs. Many seeem like very nice people. And what they're doing is harmful. It doesn't become less harmful if you're nice about it. Years ago, doctors proscribed Thalidamide as a sedativive for women. They certainly meant well. But the drug caused birth defects. I just wanted to make sure that everyone understands that it is possible to earn money at the expense of no one. A successful team of IBO's can be built without creating any "losers." No, you're quite wrong. The minute you tell them to sign anyone up, and give them a financial motive for doing so, is the minute you admit my point and start the process of harming people. Of course it was started already. See? You're starting to sign people up now. Just as your sponsor did you with you. Just as you will do to them. You are a frog in water; the temperature is rising. In the end, the market will be saturated. There is no escape. It may not happen to you. It may not happen to people you sign up. But in the end, one of two things must occur... (1) Someone can't find anyone to sign up, and wastes a lot of time in a saturated market, and/or (2) Starts consuming the product themselves, beyond what they would want or need otherwise, including a loss for as long as they do this. Unless you fail, and possibly even if you do, this will happen to many, many people. And I think the martket's pretty close to being saturated anyway, so you'll probably be the one getting stiffed, or those you sign up. People don't typically quit right away when this happens. Some go months or even years in this situation, trying to make it work. And as people get increasingly desparate, some will just drop out, but some will become increasingly unethical. Though you may not be guilty of the specific acts they commit, you will be the one who created the environment in which they did them, and you will have profited from them. Good luck to you with these decisions. Let me know if I can do anything to help. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on December 21, 2004 07:21 PM The possibility for failure is a reality in any business. A market that is satisfied with what they have and aren't interested in a new product is always a reality. How is this so much different? It costs much less to try this as opposed to a franchise with overhead costs. Signing up new IBO's is like expanding my franchise. I live in Minnesota and go to college in Iowa. If I sign up someone in Kentucky, a place I won't visit often, I have expanded the reach of my business to Kentucky. If I bought a Taco Bell restaurant, there is no guarantee that I will be successful and I might lose a lot of money and time that was invested in it. Tough. I won't lose nearly as much in this business as I would in a Taco Bell. But like I said before, I don't actually need to have IBO's in order to earn money. The reason why I would have down-line IBO's is to expand my business to other places. The market becoming saturated is a long ways off. Quixtar has a small plurality of sales in a few catagories, but not a majority by far. "Quixtar-powered Independent Business Owners (IBOs) generated revenues of $1.035 billion for Quixtar for the fiscal year ended Aug. 31, 2003, up from $901 million the year before. Also, IBOs generated an additional $58.3 million in revenues for Quixtar’s Partner Stores in fiscal 2003. Since the company’s launch, IBOs have generated revenues of more than $3.1 billion for Quixtar and more than $250 million for Partner Stores." [link] Even if the market somehow does become saturated, (there is no guarantee in any business that it's not) that doesn't mean that people cannot still save money. To sign people up as free clients or prefered-price members, they are saving money on everday consumables. I don't understand why you would insist that I would make profit off of people that fail under me. My upline hasn't made any profit off of me. If I quit today, I wouldn't lose anything but HE would lose the time and momey, if any, he invested in me. He won't gain until I do. Posted by: Tom on December 22, 2004 01:40 PM Tom, And now we go through the inevitable process of deflating the arguments, one by one. Sorry.
Because it's not merely a possibility in this business. It's how the winners make money. Re-read the chain letter example I took the time to write out for you. Please think about it -- my time is valuable, and I'm offering to spend it on you because, though you may not believe this, I'm trying to help you and your future victims. For simplicity, imagine you have a hundred people. You tell one person she will make money if they sign up six others, and the six others do too. She tells 6. The 6 tell 36. Now there are 43 people signed up, and one with their costs covered. And the 36 have... only about 1.2 people left for each. They will fail. So will any they sign up. It will take them a long time, and a lot of effort to realize this. And if they're "consuming product" at higher costs, they'll lose that too. They will be told they were just "losers" and didn't try hard enough. But trying harder would just shift the loss from one to another -- if everyone tried much, much harder all things would be no different. Do you see? It fails because it must. Not because someone was unethical. Not because every business can fail. The one guy at the top made a killing, and six did pretty good by talking a group of people into a venture which mathematically had to to fail. The rest, who were all told the glorious story of the one sat the top, were all just cannon fodder. The only part unknown is whether you're at the bottom or the top. I'm guessing you're at the bottom.
So you think you're going to be at the top. (Don't they all?) But, if what I'm saying about the model is true, isn't that an ethically worse position to be in? Better to be the con man then the mark, eh? Wouldn't it be better to be neither? Where you are in the chain doesn't change the way the process works. The real question isn't how far off saturation is -- it's whether it occurs at all, or not. And it does. Just saying it's far off is a way of saying that you don't care what happens to a lot of people as long as you are fine and don't have to look at it, personally. Being a direct part of the responsibility for their potential suffering, isn't that worth considering? So now you'll have to tell yourself saturation doesn't happen, lest you admit what it means. I know what your next response will be (or should be, anyway), so I'll save you the trouble: Population grown doesn't happen fast enough to stop saturation. 0.6% isn't enough. Even 5% wouldn't be enough. It just drags out the end stages a bit. Now, is saturation happening soon? This is beside the point, but I think it is. Look at this chart. You can see that while total sales for Quixtar is still increasing -- yet look at sales growth. In 2002: 20%. In 2003: 15%. In 2004: 6%. Can you figure out what that means? Want to guess the next number? 3%? 2%? -3%? Want to guess what that means in the next year or two? And what does that mean for people who are basing their idea of possible future revenue on "the plan"? And what about those who have done so already? I think you can figure it out. Do the experiment with 100 people, and figure out where we are on that curve. I'd guess we're about 5/7 the way there, at the point where 36 start prospecting. The market doesn't become saturated once everyone buys from Quixtar. The market becomes saturated when everyone who would want to buys from Quixtar. A lot of people have heard it if already, or know it's just Amway (again), or have already been through the cycle, watched a friend do it, or just figured out it was bad ju-ju and decided to stay away. In short, saturation can happen with only a very tiny percentage of the population participating. We're looking only at the portion of the population willing to be IBOs or consume premium-yet-overpriced Quixtar products. And that is shrinking all the time. And of course saturation does happen, the rise, fall and collapse. It happened in the 70-80s with this same enterprise, then named "Amway". At the end, most everyone bailed out. Many were burned, as they'd put huge amounts of work into making this their escape from "their day job". So they waited a few years, added a web site, allowed you to purchase other products, renamed it "Quixtar", and started to do it all over again...
Actually, people won't generally save money on Quixtar products. The simple reason is because they can't. Where do you think the money for the upline payments comes from? Oh, yes, right: markup. So you might find one or two deals, but the average price, over all products over time, MUST be higher than otherwise in order to generate the money for the upline payments. Didn't you think about the chain letter example I gave you? Please, consider it. Quixtar is like that. It's like a chain letter upline payment stapled to each shopping receipt.
No, it's not like that at all. Contrary to your statement that "there is no guarantee in any business" against saturation, companies like Taco Bell take extensive measures to prevent saturation. A reputable franchise will know where it's stores are operating, will grant exclusive territories, and will have some idea of how big the total market is, and how far they are from reaching saturation. They do this because the primary customer is outside their organization. You don't know this, because you don't understand how businesses actually work. There's nothing wrong with that -- I didn't once either. But please recognize that your ignorance is being exploited. No knowledgeable Taco Bell buyer would ever make a serious investment without a terroritorial agreement. Matrix- or pyramid-style schemes don't care about these things because their primary customer is inside their organization. Sure, you sell a few Quixtar tchochkies to a few friends, but the bulk of Quixtar's cash comes from IBO consumption. Will you drive to Kentucky? What, you think they don't have Quixtar IBOs doing the same thing down there? The reason you're being recruited is because they're tapping out those older markets and now they're relying on the few who turn 18 each year to fill up the gap. That can only last so long, too. As I said, I have no problem with anybody selling stuff. If you'd be happy doing that and making money just doing that, then great. But the minute you move into doing "the plan", with any idea of getting income from the effort you put into that process, you're shifting. And I can see you wanting to do it, and rationalize it. It's amazing, sometimes, how the mark is charmed by the con.
Do the example with 100 people. Or think about the chain letter. I give you these examples to make you think. Please make the time I'm investing in you worth something by considering these words I'm taking the time to write to you. Think about the one at the top of the 100. She made money didn't she? Of course. Maybe the 6 she signed up did too. But the rest -- not so much so. They're like your IBO, if you quit. Left holding the bag. Or they're the people on the bottom who put a lot of effort into trying to selling into a market which was saturated. Because nobody told them it was nearly saturated when they signed them up. (What, you think the people at the top don't have the stats on these things, and understand how this works? They have access to those same stats I just showed you. The only ones missing that information are the new people they're signing up.) So out of the 100, we have 6-7 people making a killing, and many times that number, 36 or more, left holding the bag. The ones at the top had to create the bag-holders in order to make the profit. That's how the system works. Remember, if you're not creating weath, then you're just shuffling it around. And if you're just moving it around, then each dollar gained by one person is directly lost by another. Selling a product creates wealth. Doing "the plan" does not. Think of the chain letter. How much wealth did those "upline" payments create? None. The same dollars just moved around. If the guy at the top was found to make $1000, it meant 100 people below him or her lost $10 each. "The plan" is even worse, though, since it will cost you more time and effort to sign up new people. With the chain letter, you just send off the letter. You don't have to spend as much time prospecting.
Really? How much product have you moved? Some of the price of that product goes upline, you know. And if your upline doesn't make money from you, then why would you be making any money from a downline? Hmmmm? If I quit today, I wouldn't lose anything but HE would lose the time and momey, if any, he invested in me. Bingo. Now you're starting to get it. Now try to think what happened if you signed up 3-4 downlines and most or all quit under the same circumstances. But the truth is, that buyback guarantee? You should read some of the comments around here from former IBOs. Apparently, those agreements are very hard to get honored. Think it over some more. You'll start to see.
My point is that by trying to sell their product -- even if you don't do the plan (which it sounds like you will), and don't sell the product unethically, you're still helping support and reward someone who does. Imagine a company bilks most of it's customers, and that's part of it's actual policy. Is it helpful to be the one honest salesguy there? I argue no, since you're actually helping those guys make money, and giving them, in some circles, a misleadingly honest reputation. Just a thought. Best to you. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on December 22, 2004 04:03 PM First we have understand the meaning of life.We live to serve our family and the people we love.This is the only best of the best oppurtunity in the whole world to help ourselves as well as others who have BIG DREAMS. Posted by: on February 2, 2005 03:37 AM Kumar, is it a business or a relegion? or some social improvement scheme? BWW says it's just a business? Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 3, 2005 05:07 PM ok so i've been reading these back and forth arguments and im just throwing in my tow cents. For the record I have not joind BWW but been to 2 meetings. Here are my thoughts: 1. they tell you that you don't have to bring people underneath you to make money. 2. One thing that alot of people haven't talked about is the products themselves. I keep hearing this back and forth arguments about how its a pyramid scheme and how its not a scam and you have to have "big dreams" but no one is talking about the simple fact: 99% of this country won't buy the products b/c they just aren't that good of a deal. With websites like, Ebay, Amazon, Overstock who the hell would go to Quixtar to buy something. Thats the main logical disfunction of this whole system to me. Sure you can try to compare this to Mcdonalds or TacoBell but the simple fact is this: if i buy a tacobell fanchise i know somethig for sure PEOPLE LIKE FOOD, PEOPLE LIE TACOS, I SHOULDN'T HAVE A HARD TIME SELLING MY PRODUCT. There is no comparison between fastfood chains and Quixtar.
Posted by: peter on February 7, 2005 08:21 AM Well, if you all think that it is so wrong and is basically a pyramiad, what makes you think you know better than the leagal advisors of the thousands of companies that are in partnership with this corporation? Posted by: frm_va on February 8, 2005 12:54 PM Nice comments 'frm_va'. But let me 'edify' you on a couple of things (edify means to educate to enlighten, dispite what you may have been told by your upline if you didn't know that). As far as the 'partnership' of these thousands of other companies you speak of. Quixtar basically plays the part of the middleman for them. You or I could just as easily 'partner' with these companies by adding them to our websites. And most of these companies will tell you flat out (and have on some occaisions) that their relationship with Quixtar is one of supplier/vendor and nothing more. You also mention thousands and thousands of people who are doing this and making money. If we agree that making money means that your bonus check at the end of the month is more than what you spent in that same month then I'll ask you this: Can you provide me with just 10 names of people who have made diamond in the last 5 years that became IBOs AFTER September of 1999? You can't can you? That's because there have not been any Quixtar diamonds. They're all former Amway distributors. So much for success. You ask for better Ideas. Take a look at this post: http://sinkinginquixand.blogspot.com/2004/09/alternatives.html#comments There's a bunch of alternatives to Quixtar for you. You also mention the fact that not all who attend college will graduate. This is very true but what you fail to realize in your regurgitated 'tapespeak' is that the turnover rate for those involved in Quixtar is 100%! This means that for every IBO who joins each year, the same amount quit (the numbers of distributors/IBOs has not changed in 30 years!). AND based on my last example of how many new diamonds have cropped up in the last 5 years, that's a ZERO percent 'graduation' rate for Quixtar with diamond level being the benchmark for success (after all you don't see couples who are supplementing their income in the Quixtar success stories do you). A word of advise: lay off the tapes for a while and get some real information. Peace. And God bless. Posted by: jason on February 8, 2005 01:37 PM jason, Posted by: frm_va on February 8, 2005 02:00 PM frm_va: That's all well and good, but it has nothing to do with anything I commented on. I'm not trying to pick on you but you have just succeeded in putting your foot in your mouth just as every other IBO who is presented with these questions has. I know they teach duplication in Quixtar but I'm not sure this is what they had in mind. If it's truly working for you (per the example of what making money means in my last comment) then I congratulate you. If not (and you're the only one who will really know) then be honest with yourself and see if you can at least answer these questions on your own. Do your own homework and see if you can verify just one of the 'facts' you quoted above that I questioned. Good luck. Posted by: jason on February 8, 2005 04:45 PM What I don't understand is that there are far better and concrete opportunities than Quixtar to raise money. Quixtar IS hard work. Amway is a household joke and Quixtar is earning the same name now. Building an MLM with that stigma attached, why? Peter is dead on. To sell overpriced lotion and potion, one better be GOOD. And this is the honest part of the plan, selling! After the natural evolution of a MLM / pyramid, only way left is to sell tools. A message to every one: Earning some extra cash is NOT hard. It can be done without Quixtar. Just look properly. Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 8, 2005 09:35 PM Good answers. A minor addition:
"Legal advisors" advise on what is legal. Nobody here is saying Quixtar is illegal. My contention is that Quixtar is unethical and generally incredibly unprofitable, not illegal. It's not "illegal" to lie to a friend or tattoo the word "STUPID" on your forehead. Does that instantly make these actions profitable and ethical? What kind of silly reasoning is that? Regarding Quixtar's many "partners": Yes, many companies make some money by "partnering" with Quixtar. But an IBO is not in the same situation. The IBO is the consumer, not the supplier of these products. Just because it's profitable for the suppliers does not mean it will be profitable for you. You're the one buying their products and giving them your money -- usually at a marked-up cost. For example, there's a local lottery. Lots of stores "partner" with the lottery to sell tickets. They profit. But that doesn't prove, somehow, that playing the lottery is profitable for me. As a lottery ticket buyer, I'm in a completely different situation. Lexus sells a lot of cars. Does that mean you're going to make a profit by buying one? How does a parnter making a profit mean you're going to make one? Your situation isn't even remotely similar.
"Legal" does not mean something is ethical. "Legal" does not mean something will be profitable for you. Please start thinking for yourself and asking those questions.
I think the other responses above from Imran and Jason addressed frm_va's other points extermely well. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on February 11, 2005 01:18 PM Regarding legality issue, please read Quixtar own rules. I'll be honest with you. Those rules make Quixtar legal. I'll be even more honest with you. 99% IBOs do NOT follow those rules, making it illegal. They haven't read them either! Does Quixtar want to be legal and enforce those rules? No. So that makes Quixtar ...uh....not so legal. I'll call partner of crime. Here is a very basic example: 70% Rule. http://mlmblog.typepad.com/boshort/2004/11/quixtar_approve.html The '70 percent rule' provides that '[every] distributor must sell at wholesale and/or retail at least 70% of the total amount of products he bought during a given month in order to receive the Performance Bonus due on all products bought . . ..' This rule prevents the accumulation of inventory at any level. Do you, do your downline? personal consumption does NOT count. As FTC said, WHATEVER you ordered, 70% of it HAS to be sold to END users, those who are not the part of compensation plan. If you don't, you don't deserve a downline bonus. If your organization is not obeying 70% rule, and following the "Buy for yourself and teach others to do so" model, it's running an illegal pyramid. According to FTC. Regarding Quixtar own rules: Please tell me if these are followed: http://www.quixtar.com/Documents/IWOV/VIS/010-EN/PDF/compendium.pdf Better Business Bureau Membership The Better Business Bureau (BBB) does not permit the use of its name in connection with advertising for products or services. The BBB name and symbol are federally registered service marks and, hence, using its name or symbol without permission may violate federal law. You should not use the name or seal of the BBB in any printed materials that go to the general public or in advertisements, nor should you represent or imply to the public, either orally or in writing, that Quixtar or its products or services are endorsed by the BBB. 1. Be Completely Honest and Truthful. 2. Inform, Do Not Attack. Do not disparage or try to discredit competitors’ prices, products, services, or manufacturing capabilities in your comparison. 4.11.1. An IBO never imposes himself or herself upon prospective IBOs, Members, or Clients. At all times he or she is courteous and considerate of the Enough said. There are many others rules in that guide which are violated in every open and invite. Hiding company name in invite is one example. Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 11, 2005 05:07 PM I stumbled accross this board and had to respond to some of this lunacy. 1)Amway is not a parter with thousands of corporations anymore than Budweiser is a partner with my corner 7-11. Amway makes its own products in Michigan, and they sell other products just like an other store. There are numerous price comparisons on the internet and Consumer Reports has done several comparisons; they're not very favorable. 2)You are not "buying for yourself"!!! Amway people are the only people I've ever met that want a rebate. Most people would rather take the discount at the check-out counter and save a stamp. Once again, there are numerous price comparisons that show that Amway products are more expensive than NAME BRAND products of similar size at discount stores like Wal-Mart. 3)Other people have already addressed how closely Amway rides to the legal fence of MLM businesses. 4)All this talk of "dreams" and "retiring at 30" is well and dandy, but it shouldn't interfere with your business rationale. There seems to be many many more people who left Amway with a lot of regret and very few who find this retirement. Compare this to an MBA class several years after graduation. 5)Saying you don't want to make money for other people is childish. They put up the money, spend the hours, and teach their employess how to quit and do it theirselves. I'd rather make money for shareholders (which includes myself) than "uplines" and that con man that owns the Orlando Magic (can't remember his name at the moment).
Posted by: on February 15, 2005 02:51 AM I cant believe how many stupid people there are in this world. My god, do all of you Ambots actually believe that your upline leadership really gives a damn about you being successful. Not many people in this world actually truely care about other people, and when it comes to making money, that number is even lower. Rest assured that the only pockets that a diamond is worried about filling is his own. Why would a complete stranger tell you that if you follow his plan, you can have the good life, are all of the diamonds just good samaritans? Hardly, they are lining their pockets with your money, and thats their only motivation, thats the only reason they care about you. Is this a pretty cynical view, yeah it is, is it true, hell yes. Open your eyes fools, nobody cares about you except for your own family and friends. And if someones you dont know claims to be your friend and wants to help you make money and have fun and make all of your dreams come true, you just have to follow thier plan, overlook your greed and ask yourself why this person gives damn about you. Believe me, its not because you look like winner, or you look like an interesting person, or they just care about helping people out, you are just another mark. Posted by: ChrisA on February 19, 2005 03:58 PM have fun guys..get me a mentor, who can show me how to prosper..school didn't teach me that, my boss never tells me that..i was broke..bankrupt.. Posted by: Jumanji on February 21, 2005 05:18 AM I see fiction-writing is alive and well. Even if grammar, capitalization, and punctuation are dead on arrival, at least in the Quixtar IBO community. (Is there some rule saying pro-Quixtar folks need to be incapable of writing clearly?) You say anyone who doesn't do Quixtar is a "lazy nerd". How is it possible to level that accusation against others when you can't even put in the effort capitalize your own words or make full sentences while promoting your business? Can you not see you're being unintentionally hilarious? Everyone else can; you're only fooling yourself.
No, stock exchanges will tell you about the financial industry, not average corporate America. I've worked in both. I have no doubt you've spent precious little time in either.
Why bother contacting a Diamond? Quixtar releases the stats. Diamonds, people in Quixtar who earn about $150k, are about 1 in 13,000, or about 0.007% of IBOs. In contrast, in the general population, about about 7% are millionaires. So your odds of becoming a millionaire OUTSIDE Quixtar are about 1000 times greater than becoming a Quixtar Diamond. Only a great fool would find those kinds of odds attractive. Did it not occur to you to look this up before you got involved? And you want others to view you as some kind of business 'expert' and obey your every commandment and directive?
Hmmm... who made you the judge of other people's worth? Playing God suits you poorly. How am I going to be "blessed" and "helped" and "brought up" financially by a group of people who make, on average, $115 per month in the USA? The idea of getting financial or business advice from such people is ludicrious.
Surely, this is projection. Get a real life, learn to write, and find something to do other than being so "negative" against anyone who dares to do something else for a living. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on February 21, 2005 01:41 PM I love the time and effort that people that are not in the britt system put in to stop people from trying to use the system to bring themselves financial freedom. Sure the system is not for everyone. Not everyone is mentally tough enough to face rejection over and over again, yet the people that do gain the financial freedom that they know they are worth. The only people that the system does not work for is the quitters. People that quit on their dreams. For those that are in the system good luck, for those that are not, thank you for being the people that you are. Posted by: StevieB on February 22, 2005 05:10 PM StevieB, maybe if your system actually worked you wouldnt have to get rejected over and over. If you were actually tought how to prospect the right people, not just anybody on the street, you might see some results. Thats a huge part of the problem with AmQuix(A/Q), they(the A/QMO's) target everyone. It's because they dont really care about you, they only want numbers. Getting rejected over and over doesnt sound like a plan for success, it sounds like beating your head against a concrete wall over and over expecting different results every time. Having a thick skull does not equal "mental toughness". You Ambots say the same crap over and over. So according to you, anyone that quits A/Q has quit on thier dreams? Steve, youre so full of crap it's coming out of your ears. Cant you see how your "leadership" has programmed you to think leaving A/Q means that you are giving up on your future? A/Q is not the only road to success, people are doing it every day, you cant say that about A/Q. Less than 1% of anyone involved in A/Q ever turns a solid profit. The real money is made not by selling products, but by selling the tapes and books that I'm willing to bet are laying all over your home. Only the leadership get a cut of this cash. Open your eyes Steve, you are getting screwed and manipulated, THEY ARE TAKING YOUR MONEY! Posted by: ChrisA on February 22, 2005 09:07 PM I forgot to add one thing. Steve, how many people exactly have achieved "financial freedom" in the Britt system since Quixtar opened in 1999? I'll give you a hint, it's the same number as your IQ, 0. All of the Britt diamonds moved over from Amway. Five years and nobody has made it yet. Sounds like a great system, where do I sign. BTW, why arent you out STP'ing? Youre never going to make it to triple scoop diamond commander sitting in front of your computer. Posted by: ChrisA on February 22, 2005 09:16 PM I love the time and effort that people that are not in the britt system put in to stop people from trying to use the system to bring themselves financial freedom. Glad to hear that. I'm sure Tim will be glad. We'll keep it up. You like it right? Sure the system is not for everyone. Yup, it's for naive ppl, like I was when I got sponsored. I was a new immigrant in Canada and never heard 'A' word. (Amway). I believed that it is a 'new' ideology, partner of Microsoft and IBM (Being an IT professional that was enough for me) and poorest diamond make $400K. Lies, deceit and fraud. Not everyone is mentally tough enough to face rejection over and over again, yet the people that do gain the financial freedom that they know they are worth. The only people that the system does not work for is the quitters. People that quit on their dreams. For those that are in the system good luck You wanna talk about quitters? Rich Devos and Jay Van-andel were distributes of Nutrilite. They QUIT, formed Amway and sponsored Nutrilite people. Now they hate when Bo Short does the same thing, although Bo Short left on much high moral ground. formerdiamond.com And how about all the diamonds who 'quit' their other business / job to 'retire' ;););) And wanna talk rejection? It's not rejection, it's slow painful realization of the lies person is told to. Realization # 1: In plan they show that 70% of money is wasted on middleman in actual business, and all I have to do is redirect and save $$. But Quixtar products are WAY too expensive. How come they didn't show me before signing up? Realization # 2: They ain't no partner of Microsoft or IBM Realization # 3: That life changing seminar was actually 6 times a year and it's all same!!! so are tapes. Realization # 4: My sponsor is not that 'wide' as platinum claimed. I'm his only downline!!! Man that guy is slow :D Realization # 5: My 'oh so rich' platinum's house is more crappy than mine. Realization # 6: That 'new' sapphire in upline LOS is in business for 9 years :o Realization # 7: There is no security even in platinum. Neither much $$$. Emerald equates to corporate job. By then u r getting good tool $$$. Realization # 8: ppl above u do ANY thing to take money from u, conferences, banquettes, tapes, seminars, even the hotel room for seminar has diamond code and diamond, as they book in bulk and sell u @ profit. Realization # 9: That’s how u'll make money. Lie to ppl knowing that 99% majority will never even break even and suck as much money as u can. They are NOT helping u. Realization # 10: Poorest diamond does not make $400K. An average diamond makes $90K or so. Realization # 11: Pins are just once achievement. E.g Many diamonds, platinums, silvers are not at that pin level any more. Infact, majority of diamond ship fell right after they go diamond and plug in to pool money. As they had bought that pin level. Realization # 12: Every body buy pins, or at one point they have done that......or force downline to buy more so they can reach more. From 300 PV to CAM. Winners make u stretch ;) (Tape title) Realization # 13: Majority lower pins are broke and in financial trouble. Even including some platinums. Realization # 14: You never gonna be 'be ur own boss' as u have signed up BSMAA, given ur right to go to court. Thus at the mercy of some top SOB. Realization # 15: There is no financial security. Quixtar had terminated CAM ships and Diamond ships. So after that, I didn't need any rejection to quit and no motivation could keep me. You must be happy that I spent 10 minutes typing it :) I'll be happy if u read it. We both are happy :) Peace. Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 22, 2005 09:39 PM I was an IBO for a year and went 4000PV in 8 months and on my 1099 that I just received, I made $2900 which is way above average for a first year IBO but here is the kicker, I still lost $5000 as my expenses were approximately $8000. I was sold on the system and am naturally very convincing and could use the catch phrases we are taught very fluently which contributed to my fast growth. I was in the GALA LOS in BWW and I must say it has to be the most abusive line ever. Most of the people in the business are well educated east indian people which is what I am as well. The Indian community has a lot of trust in each other and this trust is surey misused. The problem is all my uplines perpetuating the lies and deceptions are victims themselves and their reality is somewhat blurred by the years of "positive" information that prohibits them from even acknowledging the truth. Coupled with the fact that they are quick to use the catchy phrases and twist spirituality to somehow endorse Quixtar, it disqualifies them for a healthy debate. Posted by: Logical Mind on February 22, 2005 11:54 PM I was approached by a lady today in Barnes & Noble with a business card and some flashy talk about starting my own business. This was the third time was approached in this particular Barnes & Noble. I was sure it was all too good to be true. Posted by: Scott on February 23, 2005 11:13 PM Logical Mind: Which LOS you were in? I was also in Gala LOS, and it is most abusive. I was in Kumar - Kankan - Vishal ...... Ahmer - Wahid line. Know any of them? Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 24, 2005 01:34 AM what are the products that you have to sell/buy? Posted by: arsenal on February 26, 2005 10:32 PM No. No perishables. U still have to go to grocery store :) Mostly Vitamins and Make up + Skin care, stuff normal ppl spend 1/20th less than Quixtar. Posted by: Imran Aziz on February 27, 2005 01:32 AM One question, Posted by: prabhu on March 1, 2005 05:58 AM prabhu -- Heheh, excellent point! "Showing the plan" doesn't feed anyone. Put a bunch of Quixtar IBOs on an island, tell them only to do Quixtar-related activity, and they'll starve to death very quickly. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on March 1, 2005 11:57 AM You morons listen! This is the reason why there are so many broke psedo intellectuals in the world, who give free advice. You guys are destined to sit in the stupid cubicle until you are 65 and bitch about life and others. I can give answers to all your stupid questions, but I wont!! Guys, are you smarter and financially savvy than Zig Zaglar, Robert Kiosaki, Paul zane pilzer etc, think about it what they say about network marketing. Hold on...they are not amwy or Q* guys. Guys, do you know what you are talking about? you know what pyramid scheme means? Somebody puts something on the internet and you belive it? Someone rightly called the internet the 'bathroom wall of society'. Guys, being in the business for one year listening to tapes and reading books ONLY doesn't result in the success in the business. Show me your calander for the one year you were in the business i will tell you why it dint work for you. Taking membership in a Gym doesn't make you like governer of california. The person who told that you cannot sell and market anything in this business, you are WRONG. I make decent profits in retail from this business, nto counting networking. If you are making so much money in your current profession after 10,15 years of education and experiance, how do you expect to make couple of thousand bucks in 2 years in this business? what makes you think that you moron? Any business takes 5-7 years to break even and get into profits. The pay check mentality gets you frustrated and makes you look for results in a year. Your upline makes money of off you?? are you kidding me? which planet do you come from? How much money your current company makes on you? dont you have a problem with that? this is a business not a charity. regarding tapes, why does microsoft charge hundreds of dollars on a CD which costs few cents? did you ever thought of that? If you want to be a doctor, dont get an advice from a medical school drop out if being a medical doctor is good or not or if that profession is good. He will give his 100 different reasons why being a doctor is not good and it will not work. Go to a successful doctor and ask some valid and intelligent questions not knucle head questions like walmart prices are lower than Q* prices etc. First change how you think then you will get a different perspective of anything not only this business. If you are savvy enough to analyze a $6b company you will not be sittting in that stupid cubicle instead of spending time with your family. Wake up and get a life!! Posted by: SunnyDelight on March 3, 2005 06:11 PM YEAH MOMMY!!!! Another Ambot to play with!!!!! My last one broke, Ambots seem to be very fragile. Take it easy everyone, this one is fired up. Dont want to scare him away, that is if he has the balls to come back anyways. You guys notice how most Ambots "hit and run"? How could you not notice? Well SunnyDelight, now that you have puked your rhetoric all over this blog, why dont you get down to some cold, hard numbers. You basically said nothing of substance in your last post, why dont you prove to us why Quixtar is so great. Why over the last 40 years the company has not grown one bit? Why is the IBO turn over rate so high? Why is there so much negative information about AmQuix in existance, even before the internet came about? Why is AmQuix not a pyramid scheme in your eyes? Why do all Ambots feel the need to berate others? Why dont you know a damn thing about your own company? How much research did you do before signing up, and where did you get your info? Posted by: ChrisA on March 3, 2005 09:19 PM One more question. Why do almost all Ambots write in incoherent run on sentences that are indecipherable? Posted by: ChrisA on March 3, 2005 09:24 PM Hey SunneyDelight, And do you think companies are making money out of their employees? No friend, they make money because of the Investment they do. Tell why you are great, rather than telling why all others not great and nothing about you! Posted by: prabhu on March 4, 2005 01:29 AM I am really enjoying this, knuckle heads, go on...the more you say the more you prove my point. Now dont say, what is my point :) I am retiring very shortly from my profession and i am in early 30's...you guys have no choice except to work till 70 years old betting on your 401k's. I am beating the system by 35 years. ya..hooo... I dont have to prove anything to anyone action speaks louder than words. I got these kind of crap from my friends when i started the business. Every one of them is working and will be working..Success is revenge guys! So, you wanted to start your own business huh? Somebody shows you a 'plan' and dreams and you thought you can get rich investing less than 200 bucks? and you quit soon after that because the products are expensive than walmart and you dint make any money in 1 year? Guys, this emails trails are full of comedy, somebody says company has not grown in 40 years...lol..turn over rate is high...negetive on internet...etc. Stop going to walmart they have lot of cases against them :)...even mother theressa has negitive written on her on the internet...some people like you take serious notes from bathroom walls...some one says they make money on tapes and books..if you are so averse..dont take it..if you dont like the rules become an EDC and change them..if not shut up and get back to your cubicle.. we are having lot of fun. This shows how mature you are analyzing a business. Do you think you can make money and become financially free in stock market, real estate, doing one more degree, MBA etc. Wake up guys!! I dont think you are stupid people, really belive me, i never said employees are stupid. I am employee myself and i respect my profession which puts food on my table. The only difference between you and me is i have some information which you dont have. You might write and say what ever you can but at the bottom of you heart you know that you know that you know that you dont know what few of us know. Sucess is a planned event guys its not a super lotto. You dont get free information on internet you have to study the business systems. It takes time and effort. I can answer ALL of your questions but i WONT. If you are open minded you will get your own right answers as i got them myself. I saw this 'plan' few times before, i was the most negetive gusy you might have ever met, but that was few years ago. Guys, business owners think differently than employees that is the reason why 80% of them work of 20% of the people. Its not everybody's cup of tea. What ever it is..end of the day...few months from now, i will be sleeping monday morning till 10 and playing with my kid in the park at 2 in the afternoon..while you guys are still at work!! Enjoy and get satisfaction at work. That is one way of living a life, nothing wrong with that. But dont complain 20 years from now that nobody gave you an oppurtunity and you were not lucky enough to get a break etc. We need employees to run the world economy. I never said i am great and I would never say employees are stupid. I am no big deal guys, a regular average person like you. I did my research but I dint go searching bathroom by bathroom and took notes what is written on the walls. Infact i am not qualified to anyalyze a billion dollar corporation. May be you are...smart people..i rather be stupid and rich than intelligent and broke..I read it somewhere..Hats off to all the Alberts out there(dont worry if you dont know what Albert means, some people who knows will have a hearty laugh) I was searching for something and chanced upon this site...i had fun talking you guys...Bye and have a great life!! Posted by: SunnyDelight on March 4, 2005 04:55 AM Whoa buddy, you're gonna take off just like that. The debate hasnt even begun. You have not answered a single question, you just spewed forth with more rhetoric that you heard from your upline. You wont answer our questions because you dont have the answers. Your "bathroom walls" argument is completely ignorant, the voices you are trying to stiffle are ones with a hell of a lot more knowledge about AmQuix than you. You proved this point the second you posted here, you know almost nothing about what you are involved in. I'll start over with one very simple question. Why dont you tell us what percentage of IBO's make it to EDC? Posted by: ChrisA on March 4, 2005 08:59 AM You morons listen! I'm all ears. This is the reason why there are so many broke psedo intellectuals in the world, who give free advice. We voice our opinions, like you. Is that a problem? I didn't know its a bad thing. At least in a free country. You guys are destined to sit in the stupid cubicle until you are 65 and bitch about life and others. Be a false prophet, or wanna talk about false profits of Quixtar? I can give answers to all your stupid questions, but I wont!! Because you can't. If you can I dare ya Guys, are you smarter and financially savvy than Zig Zaglar, Robert Kiosaki, Paul zane pilzer etc, think about it what they say about network marketing. Hold on...they are not amwy or Q* guys. You answered urself. They are not. Why is that? They discovered where the $ is, selling motivation to IBOs like you. If Quixtar is oh so great, why Mr. Kiosaki is not an IBO? Guys, do you know what you are talking about? you know what pyramid scheme means? Somebody puts something on the internet and you belive it? No. Somebody tell me in mall or in a living room about something, I don't believe it either. Not any more. I research it and ask for proof. I definitely not believe an IBO who bug me in malls and try to invite me to a secret meeting hiding company name. YUCK! Someone rightly called the internet the 'bathroom wall of society'. Where did you posted again? Right, some one else's blog. You are dripping with integrity don't you? Guys, being in the business for one year listening to tapes and reading books ONLY doesn't result in the success in the business. Show me your calander for the one year you were in the business i will tell you why it dint work for you. I can. But tell me first, is it working for you? what was ur last paycheck? What are ur expenses? Taking membership in a Gym doesn't make you like governer of california. No. Neither do Gym claims so. Quixtar claims to make a person 'free' in 2-5 years. The person who told that you cannot sell and market anything in this business, you are WRONG. I make decent profits in retail from this business, nto counting networking. If you are making so much money in your current profession after 10,15 years of education and experiance, how do you expect to make couple of thousand bucks in 2 years in this business? what makes you think that you moron? Any business takes 5-7 years to break even and get into profits. The pay check mentality gets you frustrated and makes you look for results in a year. Which planet are YOU from? Tell it to ppl showing the plan. Quixtar present 2-5 years plan. 4-6 months platinum, 2-5 years diamond. If you tell prospects that in 5-7 years they'll just break even, how much will be sponsored? Who am I kidding here, you don't even tell them the company name an |
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