Amway man, I lost $10,000 in a year. I can relate to you a bit. You are not alone. There are many who are scammed here and there by these heartless monsters all over the world. What is the fault of people like you and me? May be we shouldn't trust other people? Or don't hope to provide better future for our families?

These "Diamonds" should realize that the food they are feeding to their kids is the blood sucked by people who trust them.

You story makes me so sad and angry. Because I know it's true. And government is not doing any thing!

I thing it's the republicans who stood behind amway / Quixtar as they preach conservatism.

I so totally agree with all that is being said about quixtar. I do not understand why the gov't or just a general public uproar does not shut them down. Dateline did a great expose and people just yawn until it affects them. My son-in-law, who in his real life was a very good husband and father was snagged by quixtar as a way he could "help" his mother and sisters who struggle in every way in this world. He is a captain in the US Army and a West Point grad with every opportunity out there for him. Since May he has spent at least $10,000--and actually more if you count the REAL cost of driving--not just the gas. He works at this almost every weekend and evening, never seeing his three darling boys ages 5, 3, and newborn but promising them and his wife that he will soon be rich and won't have to have a job so then he will be there all the time! My daughter is unbelievably patient but is running out of money and energy being essentially a single parent. Are there any de-programming groups (similar to AA) that my son-in law could go to if he ever starts to see that this is never going to work and even if he does make money it is not a respcted career. I do not hesitate to call this a cult and he is brainwashed and addicted to the false praise his support group gives him. Would love to hear from anyone out there! Jean

Sorry to hear that Jean. Here is a book

Imran --

May I inquire as to exactly how you lost $10,000 in one year?

Gladly!

My monthly expenses were $1000 - 1100, and I was doing that expenses for almost a year. 11 months to be exact, from August 2002 to June 2003. I made $1000 TOTAL in terms of bonuses. I net $10,000 loss. Including downline, net was $15,000 loss.

Here is a detailed break down:

THankyou imran for that link, morons at mlm survivor do not tell me where that video of amway was, nor does any other scam observing website, but they just talk shit.. I want a site with amway video and how it works, but morons have no web skills and only put text.. idiots.

Adil,
I find that video quite easily, without asking any one. Heard google.com ;) Who is idiot now :P

Sorry to here you lost so much cash .
I just started in the business and have already started to make a profit ..The cash I am reciving far outweighs the amount I spend on tools and gas ect ..Quixtar is a excellent businss oppertunity ..

Jim Thomas. Congratulations. I wish you all the best.

Care to answer some questions?

1) Did you sign BSMAA? Do you know what you gave up signing that?

2) Which system are you on? BWW / WWDB etc.?

3) Have you attended a seminar?

4) Have you listened to a tape?

That's it for now ;)

Ok i was approached by a bww and quixtar "mentor"(thats what i guess they call them in my district i dont know) i got to go to a free meeting at a very nice restaurant(they tried to butter me up) what they didnt know is i am currently going to be a business graduate not to long from now( not to mention i have been on the deans list for a wile and may graduate with honnors in the next couple of months) my collage Franklin and Marshall of lancaster PA. a top private collage of the nation. I am no joke. First when i finally found out how the system works, there is a couple of problems with it from a financial view. Cash flow where and to who. these people Legitimately belive they are creating a cash flow. well ok you have to provide a good or service. my mentor said "we sell this stuff on the internet just like mcdonalds we are part of a franchise". well ok then so your a middle man right? because you dont make the product, and you dont physically create a service. the companies through Quixtar do that like circuit city and barns and noble(if you look closely at your packet you will knowtice that its is not just circuit city but circuit city .com and barns and knobles .com/ very important for later)"yes, we are a middle man then" to be a middle man, which there are very few left anymore(becuase walmart killed alot of them, and other companies are doing the same) you have physically handle the products and sell them straight to the consumer. all you do is have a web site(1 of who knows how many are out there) that directs a consumer to Quixtar. you dont sell anything!! they do not do that. he said no the company involved sell thier products through a website. well ok so your not a middle man your a sales man? " well yes" ok to be a sales man for curcit city or bass pro(remmber they have people buying from them they dont care if we get screwed in the process) you have to be selling it to people, but mostly all they are selling is the IBO idea. they did not once try to sell anything to me, which would have been the smart idea. what they are trying to do is to get as many"IBO's" as possible to but their speacial every day products. that is how this company makes its money. YOU do not make any money , you do not create a cash flow. (he kept using the franchise idea. which is a good defense, to the unseeing i its a great idea. only problem is is that your not an IBO(independent buisness owner) you do not, like a guy who buys a mcdonalds, you are not liscensed to sell make/distrubite/sell any of those products. I have no clue how these people do not realize they are not a buisness. My question for anyone who is involved in this is do you have to file this buisness in a buisness form to the government. because i have no clue how you could even fill out some of the forms that the government leagely needs to see every year (ex: assets... umm well im an IBO i dont need assets, retartds. or if they are considered private what the hell is going to be on their tax returns!!!)they do not provide a good or a service. so all this is , is like gambeling the top players stay up wile new ones consistantly come in and out. Now your asking your self well this sounds terrible why is this leagel? simple this is leagel for a couple of reasons. One, remmber cuircit city and all those other nice companies that make Quixtar lagit. well do you think that with their increased sales from this site that their political influinces are going to let Quixtar go down. NO. second, for the top notch people they are creating cash flow. they are creating a service. those stupid packets and the dumb meetings and anything else you have to pay for. unless you are one of those people who make those packets, you WILL get screwed somewhere down the line. third this is a type of gamble, just how las vegas can survive(remmber las veges does not provide a service with gambleing, they provide the service of a hotel food and other luxury items. if you read up on las vegas that is how they survived providing other services with gambleing on the side.) and last but not least why the government or anyone else can not get ride of these people. they found one loop hole just like amway they make products too. those "Everyday products" those are lagit products. they make those, they are trying to sell those like a mary kay or cut co, but in a differnt way. they try to sell those products by makeing people buy the products to hit the 100point pv level. thats why you get "Extra pv and bigger bv when you buy these everyday products". (by the way all those products suck, the protien shake i tried was terrible compared to anything else i buy which can be almost half the price of that P.O.S).right now you may make money but you may be on the top right now. when your people who you convinced dont make money and just spend money(like from all the other people you heard above) they quite.(not to mention those people who you convince are going to be pissed at you because they lost money. so you may not speak to those people for a wile) when they quit your bv goes down. when the next layer quits becuase they have no one supporting them you lose more bv again. it will reach you. so I say if your makeing money now congrats!! keep doing it(just like poker). but the second you start to loose money get the F out. so my final advice is, don't start if you havent already. a 9-5 if you save will far out do any money you make being an IBO. thats how my father pays my tuition. a normal hard working man who saved through his life and i can straight up tell you he makes alot more every year from his stock then any of these idoits and their little games they play. Have a good day, and God bless.
Derek Nowak

if you dont belive me go to these sites and ask yourself if quixtar or anyother company you are involved in sounds like this.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/pyramid.htm
knowtice this is the SEC.gov site i am not makeing this up!!
quixtar if not done right can be brought up against federal charges. so if you are up level watch what you say!!!http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/invest/mlm.htm
is for marketing schemes

this next one is straight from BWW and Quixtar
http://www.bbbonline.org/profile.asp?ID=102102811384627218

if you knowtice they are only suppose to sell products. home and beuaty products to be exact. nothing else. but if you go back to the SEC.gov web site you willl see by deffinition hom and bueaty products are the ones usally used in markiting schemes and pyramid schemes.
and last but not least why quixtar has gotten around fereral inditment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quixtar
go to the bottom and you will see that in 1979 the governement tried to bring AMWAY which IS ... i repeat IS a brother to BWW and Quixtar(bill Britt started both of them so anyone,espeacilly my mentor, who says they are not related can shut the F up.) under the 1979 rullin amway was not charged because it met it's requirments of 70% sales which quixtar no longer requires. so technically what i brought to the table is the fact that if you are lower level and got screwed by the uper level people you can tape record anything they have said bring it to court sew them and make them come under federal inditment.( which means long jail time for a** H@LE people.
thank you again and god bless
p.s if you have any further questions will be glad to answer them
Dnowak@fandm.edu

Half of my family joined quixtar back in August of 2005. So far, all I have seen them gain is one of them got a check for$6.47. They have been completely brainwashed into thinking that they are going to become millionares. My 20 year old brother even dropped out of college and is trying to get his friends to join quixtar and drop out of school also. The other night I went to dinner with 4 people in the business and I was the one paying the bill at the end, because they could not afford it. They are an embarrasment to my family and I do not even want to be around them anymore. I need some advice from someone who can help me get my point across to them that this does not work.

I read many blogs dealing with issues of Amway and Quixtar. Let me enlighten those without the understanding of what this business is all about.
Quixtar and Amway are two different businesses, however with the same proposition in selling products to consumers. Many Amway distributor's had no fundamental studies how to conduct a foundational business. Quixtar does gives training, and new IBO's should understand that these training effect costs. It is an investment towards an IBO's business that can increase sells within months of time and effort. This is just like every other job or business an average person may conduct. Quixtar and Amway are sister companies of Alticor. Alticor created three major eCommerce distribution company, Quixtar, Amway and Access Business Group. Quixtar is the trend of the future for those who are eager to succeed in life and change their life style. This is not for everyone to enter into business. Many have fallen, and that is because of their own miscalculation of their profits. Every upline are informing potentials that this business is not for everyone. However, if in need of assistance the upline, the sponsor and others that made it to Platinum and above are also eager to help and teach new IBO's to succeed in this business. Business is to work as hard as you can in order to succeed, and make a tremndous amount of money. Plenty to be made for those who are also eager. There is no hand out and if you are reluctant to do the work, then you're in for a rude awakening. Many that been into this type of business are dishearted because they failed to follow the simple concept of this business. You must network and get other potentials to succeed into this business as well. You're not alone. We are here to help you succeed. This is what I was told and they continue preaching this out to every potential interested to participate as IBO's. If this makes sense then send me a line. I can explain the business that is so simple that a 5 year old can do this blindfolded. bravo659@hotmail.com.

Do you want to make money? Sell something you already own on eBay (or similar services) and you will be able to calculate your profit/loss immediately. If it takes weeks/months/years to guess how much of residual check you are to recieve - you can count yourself as one of the lost....

I was in WWDB, and because I had grown to 4000 PV, I lost a little or broke even most months, but I'll illustrate how you can lose a lot of money. Keep in mind that I built as a single and so my tools expenses were not doubled, and I did not have to content with babysitters fees.

Standing order (6 tapes a month) $36/month
Extra Tapes 5-7 extra per week. $168/month
Local functions (8 per year @$24) $16/month
Major functions(3 mainland, 1 local)$254/month
$3050 total (I live in Hawaii)
FED, Family reunion and Leadership required airfare during expensive travel dates

Open meetings $6/month
Book of the month $10/month
Gas $50/month
Clinics (such as artistry) $10/month
Clothing (gotta look sharp) $50/month

Totals $600/month

So my participation as a single is about $600 a month or $7200 a year, and does not include the $250 a month or more that I spent on products.

hello negative people let me tell you something this business is one of the awesome businesses you could not do it so what we will make it happen.you will be working all your life and we will be done in 5 years.good luck with your stinking job and stop posting negative comments and shut up.

please stop posting negative comments and let people grow in this quixtar bussiness. people, its a life time opportunity, so dont miss it. work hard and be diamond, or "CAM"(crown ambassador). and give the best lifestyle to ur family. and dont list to NEGATIVE people.
good luck.

Who said anything negative? It's your perception that it's negative. It's also silly to think someone can steal your dream. It's in your brain. Only you can steal your own dream.

To the Sharmas, are you making money in quixtar and are your downline making money? I bet it is a loss after subtracting expenses for functions and cds.

My husband joined Quixstar about five years ago. He was laid off from work, bored, and in my opinion, had become somewhat depressed. A friend of his called and told him about this wonderful way you could go into business for yourself and have the potential of making millions. My husband started going to meetings, and before you know it, he was hooked. Trying to be supportive, I went to one meeting with him. All I could think of was, God, this is a freaking joke. I can't believe people are actually buying into this crap. This is MY reality of Quixtar---For the next two months I endured the following:

#1-Two rediculous meetings at my home with friends and family looking at us like we were crazy. It was so embarressing, and my husband didn't even have a clue.
#2-My husband purchased crap we didn't even need of things we could have got at Walmart for a third of the price.
#3-Money wasted on tapes, gas wasted traveling to meetings, and just time my husband wasted that could of been spend with out son instead of trying to convience other people to join.

Finally, after two months and $3000 in debt, I put my foot down and told my husband either he quit this rediculous scheme, or he could pack his $*%# and get out. Thank God he came to his senses. We laugh about his little "insane" period now, but it really isn't funny. We are the lucky ones. I have read where people have lost their homes, ruined their credit, and divorced because of this company. They must be doing everything legal though, or I would assume the government would have stepped in by now. Now, this is only my opinion and my story. If you are thinking about joining this company--BEWARE!!!!!!!

Please help. A very close friend is on the verge of divorcing her husband of 27 years. They are deeply in debt due to Quixtar / Amway. He is his only customer. His "upline" of course is supportive. He has been in this for 20-25 years and now is buying more tapes. He has isolated himself from their family and friends. Basically, if you are not helping him "build the business", then you are trying to destroy his dream of being financially independent. He has a great job, that pays very well, but Quixtar / Amway are the only ones to reap the benfits of this. There are 3 children involved. How can she get him out? Where can she get help?

Annette, it might be a good idea if your "friend" sought professional counseling. Once someone is completely "hooked" on quixtar, normally there isn't much you can do to to convince them otherwise.

It's amazing how some people will lose money year after year but defend quixtar/amway by saying they are making great friends and learning. Is this a social club or school, or is it a money making business?

for all those negative person you guys are loosing too much money espending on regular stores were they wont pay you nothing tu buy them or recomend them so think about it and you will see whos loosing more money.
negative person or us that we are IBO's think
don't keep fueling your brain of s*** it may cause something terrible for you guys, and make rich people that owns regular stores like the ones you will keep going for the rest of your life so god bless all those who works for their goals. and stay positive all the time.

Joe: So paying $49.99 for quixtar vitamins and getting back $5 in the form of a TAXABLE rebate is better than buying a similar vitamin from Walmart for $15.99? Oh and add in the cost of the tapes and seminars needed to teach you about this great opportunity. Yeah, quixtar's quite a deal.

for all those negative person...

Hector, the only "negative persons" here are those who starting calling everyone else names because they disagree about something.

Sadly, these people often tend to be Quixtar IBOs, such as yourself.

you guys are loosing too much money espending on regular stores...

Actually, Hector, like Joe just said, regular stores are much cheaper than doing Quixtar. That's why so many IBOs drop out after just one year. Not because they're saving so much, but because they're losing (please note the spelling!) so much.

don't keep fueling your brain of s*** it may cause something terrible for you guys...

Who's "fueling [their] brain"? We're simply trying to warn people about a bad business opportunity, Hector.

Would you be "fueling your brain" with "negative" ideas because you don't want friends to, say, drive off a cliff?

If something is harmful, Hector, it is positive to warn people away from it. You have to first try to figure out what works before calling everyone names for trying to get important information to you.

Such as that Quixtar pays about $115 per month, on average, last anyone could check.

I as well was a victim of Quixtar...Thank god I was able to figure out what a brainwashing rip off it was before I spent anymore money. I was lucky enough to have a loyal and loving boyfriend that was concerned about me and where this business was leading me... He showed me the Dateline NBC Investigation and I felt sick by what I saw. This is a cult and I plan to warn everyone I know about how poisonous this business is. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.

There's a lot of information about quixtar amway on the net. There's also transcripts on the Dateline segment.

I'm glad you got out before damage was done.

Aaron,

Quixtar itself may be in good standing with the FTW. BBB, whatever. But it's the motivational groups such as WWDB and BWW that are sucking the life out of their IBOs by keeping them "plugged into" the teaching system even when they are not progressing or making any money. That's the shady part of the business.

Don't believe me? Then why don't you become the first one to provide a written agreement showing how the tools money is distributed?

Good question. An IBO spending all their time
online debating points of the business must not be building their business and therefore must not be making any money.

Also, doesn't the wise and sage upline discourage people from speaking to people who are not in the business, except when you are
trying to trick someone into joining the business?

thank you so much for all the information!!!
my boyfriend and i were about to join Quixtar because we knew nothing about it except for the part about "making money" and becoming multi-millionares.well at least that's what the business meetings were portraying.the more i looked ot thier web page the more i realized how rediculous the whole business was. at first our families were trying to warn us that this chould be a scam but we were defensive and now it is more clear. i am not going to join Quixtar due to the testamonials i just read. so thank you for saving my money and my time

Caitlyn: Saving you money, time, and (most importantly) heartache is what this entire thread is about. Postings like yours are the only payment we who post here receive, and we're honored we could be of some help.

I wish you the best. God bless.

Caitlyn,

Your story warms my heart.

I can relate to your story man, The business screwed up my grades(bcoz I was completely plugged in) in graduate school and was on the verge of being kicked out of school if I didnt improve my GPA. I lost about $7000 in two years. One of my friend who was from India, lost his student visa status by following my upline's advice. He finally had to leave US for not maintaining proper visa status. Other one lost more than $15,000 in three years.

Caitlyn,

Your testimony is proof of our win against a corrupt business.

Guys mark one more victory against Amway/Quixtar.

Our Mission: Saving one life at a time.

Prospective IBOs - pay attention to these stories and beware!

We Have a couple friends in the family that has join quixtar, weel They has convince my wife to join,in only 2 month s we have not see $ 20.00 dollars yet, but she has been out of the house several hours, on their meetings and also in friends house, atempting to bring more people in "the business",expending money in gas, and video tapes, and audio cds, plus the $200.00 that she paid to join, so far the losses has not been too much yet, but i tell you What, I congratulate this person who create this scheme because he really knows how to put people to work for him, and defend his company really good, I will star thinking how to get some thing like that started.please wacht the report on dateline at nbc.from may 2004?.