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We are, as a society, grossly ignorant of history. Perhaps more now than before. Worse, we are taught to respond, reflexively, that those who disagree with us must certainly be grossly ignorant of history. This is not a good situation for civilization, since it's continuance is dependent upon learning actual lessons from history. But, instead we're taught a sort of false, PC-version of history. One which confirms pop, secular, and liberal biases. This is bad not because I disagree, philosophically, with this worldview, but because building a model on bad data generally delivers bad results. As an illustration, consider this comment on the Dred Scott decision on La Shawn Barber's blog. In part:
What can we learn of this fellow's worldview? For one, we can "learn" that "morality" is "evolving". That is, that mankind, left to our own devices, will naturally get more and more moral. Certainly we must then be more moral as a species than we were several thousand years ago, right? Moral Evolution?I suspect people believe such things because they haven't read much history. Read the Oddessy. Read the Illiad. Read the Old Testament, for heaven's sake. People in these books are no different than we are today. Though culture and customs vary, there is nothing to suggest these people had any different innate moral facilities that our contemporaries. Nor do the hundreds of millions killed during the twentieth century suggest we are at a very high level of morality currently. If anything, this evidence suggests, at least in carrying out our less ethical desires, that may even be getting morally worse. So belief in "moral evolution" is largely a dogmatic article of faith, in conflict with all the available evidence. My theory is that people believe this, in part, because we experience technological evolution: Sticks and rocks are replaced by spears, arrows, knives, swords, cannons, Uzis, and Tomahawk missles. Since we can see this technological progress, and dub it (incorrectly) "evolution", we must certainly also have moral evolution, no? But look at how technological "evolution" happens: First, it's worth noting that it's not "evolution" at all, in the sense that we work very hard to make it happen, by anything but random chance. And that it does not happen gradually, but radically, with periods of a decade or so producing tremendous, unheard-of levels of change. But, ignoring that quibble: People remember each discovery and use it to build on others. Glass-making helps create the lens, which helps create the microscope, which eventually leads to the nano-fibre, etc. This is a mechanical process, and not one which improves us as individuals or as a species. The technology, in a sense, builds upon itself: the book stores information about how to print and bind books, and helps distribute it so that others can benefit from it rather than re-invent it. The Internet does this faster. Each new piece contributes to the others: Medicines allow certain scientists to live longer and make addition discoveries. Those additional discoveries may lead to better medicines, etc... Were modern man placed on a new continent or world, cut off from existing learning and memories, we would be back to a technological stone age. All of our "smartness" resides in our collected memories on books, or web pages, and in the very cool range of tools we have availble to start new investigations. This "evolution" is not inherant to the individual organism, nor the species, nor our genetic code. And even if it were, technology is not morality, any more than intelligence is the same as wisdom. So humans, as a creature, are essentially unchanged, as far as I can determine, throughout recorded history. We have certainly not become better, kinder, more wise and humble individuals. Yet, in our vanity, we somehow forget we can see so far because we are simply standing on the shoulders of giants who did all the heavy lifting. Without those shoulders, as most of us (I, certainly) tend towards moral dwarfism, and wouldn't be able to see very far at all. "Evolving" away from the BibleReturning to the comment:
The second thing we can "learn" here about this alleged moral evolution (e.g. improvement), as marked here by the end of the British slave trade, is that such improvements are allegedly steps away from morality we'd find in the bible. Succinctly: Less bible, more moral. Sadly, this is, I believe, both a mistake about history and a mistake about the bible, and a common one in our society. First, does the bible allow slavery? If, by "slavery" you mean a system in which a person who had gotten deeply into debt could serve as an indentured servant for a period of seven years, after which he was to receive a reasonable stipend and resume his life, then yes, that kind of "slavery" is not only allowed, but is recommended as a solution to debt relief. When you contrast it with the European method of dealing with debt (which came later, by the way) -- of putting a man in jail until, by some unspecified miraculous means he is to pay off the debt -- it is a downright humane, enlightened, and sane solution. This system bore no resemblance to the lifelong, race-based slavery practiced by the British, the Americans, and Muslims, in which people were abducted for no reason, frequently treated with unspeakable cruelty, and held for generations with no possibility of freedom. Indeed, far from "evolving" morally, it would seem instead we took two major steps backwards, both in dealing with debt and conscripted labor over those several thousand years. So what about the kind of slave trade practiced under pagan societies such as Rome? Was that "allowed" by the bible, as the commentor insists? Certainly the first Christian believers included slaves, who were told to be obedient as a form of witness (Peter 2:18), but they were also instructed to obtain their freedom if at all possible (1 Cor 7:21). Futher, the apostle Paul clearly condemned the slave business itself:
Hmmm... according to the bible, the "slave trade" is "ungodly" and "sinful", and practitioners of such were lumped in with "murderers" and "those who kill their fathers", and told it is "contrary to sound doctrine." Quite a hearty endorsement! Banning the Slave TradeFinally, the argument disintegrates completely when you examine the actual circumstances of the banning of slavery in England, the first nation to ban the trade in history, who set a precedent for others. How did that happen? Did the English finally get "secular" enough to throw away their bibles, in disgust, and reject all that (allegedly) slavery-approving biblical morality? That's probably close to the modern, revisionist version of history. My understanding of the matter begins with a slave trader named John Newton. In 1748, before the US was even founded, Newton was the captain of a slave ship, a man so vile that his crew regarded him as "little more than an animal." During a storm, he turned to God and pled for his life, and somehow came to believe what he was doing was wrong and became a vocal opponent of slavery. He also wrote a song which about this, one you might have heard of. A tune called Amazing Grace. In England, Newton joined forces with others such as Thomas Clarkson, an anti-slavery activist who wrote a prize-winning essay (in Latin) called "Is it right to make slaves of others against their will?" Where did Clarkson find inspiration to fight against the system of slavery which was present throughout the whole world at that time? On what moral basis did he argue for the "wrongness" of slavery? Were his arguments based in a rejection of Christian morality? Uh, no...
In other words, he argued that the bible teaches a slave is fundamentally equal to a free person (Gal 3:28) and that God created all people to have free will and moral accountability, and thus that the institution slavery is contrary to God's design for humanity. Besides merely writing, Clarkson put his faith into practice in this way, among many others:
Another friend of Newton's was William Wilberforce. Wilberforce was born wealthy and, like all of us, had personal ambitions. But his life was radically changed, somehow, from it's original course...
And so Wilberforce worked vigorously in Parliament to change the law. This flies in the face of the "moral evolution" theory espoused above: The rest of Parliament, being decidely more secular than Wilberforce, should have been the driving force behind banning the slave trade; Wilberforce, the devout "fundamentalist" Christian, should have been the holdout, supposedly justifying slavery from the bible. Instead, the historical truth couldn't be more the opposite: We have Wilberforce, the preacher and politician, condemning slavery, appealing to biblical principles for moral force in doing so, and the more secular Parliament resisting at every step, in every way possible, for years on end:
What the account omits is the way Wilberforce convince Pariliament to do so: I understand he finally had them tour a slave ship. These men were far from perfect, nor was the resulting ban perfectly effective, and there were many others involved whose contributions I don't mean to minimize here. But all this serves to illustrate an important point: Slavery had existed since the dawn of recorded history and throughout the world; it was as much a part of the world's social fabric [interesting link] as, say, disease remains today. As natural as it may seem to us today, living in a post-slavery world, the idea of banning it entirely would probably have been nearly quite as unthinkable to these people as the idea of a disease-free world is today. When we examine how it was that something as pervasive as slavery ceased, instead of finding secular humanists naturally, gradually eschewing religious morality, we find instead powerful, prime movers whose lives would have taken radically different courses if they were not abruptly changed by "born-again" -like conversions -- interventions, they undoubtedly felt, from above -- who felt they were fulfilling God's purpose for them in their time; who derived their relatively "higher" morals, compared to their culture, from the bible; and who hammed ceaselessly on the issue and were opposed on all sides by their more secular peers. These are the moral "giants" on whose shoulders we stand, smug in our complacency that certainly we oppose slavery, because we happen to have been fortunate enough to be born in a time where it is banned. And is interesting that these giants themselves credit another for their stance. How sad, and unwise, that we feel the need to recast them as bible-shunning secular humanists, something they would certainly have abhorred, and the results of their struggle as natural or inevitable, when it was nothing but a difficult, uphill battle all the way. Tom, You touch on a key problem of the "evolving morality" paradigm: How can you say something is "evolving" unless you have some notion of what is "bad" and "good"? I grant you that our "understanding" of society, in a sort of scientific sense, is certainly increasing. But "understanding" is not "morality", in my worldview: "Understanding" something to be harmful isn't the same thing as doing the right thing about it. Again, there's a vast difference between what I think of as "knowledge" -- the mere knowing of facts -- and what I'd tend to call "wisdom", using them in a beneficial manner. Consider divorce. In the 60s, the common wisdom changed to accept divorce as more of a good thing, to de-stigmatize it and make it easier. "It's good for you. And it's better for the children." Yet today we have now have formal, scientific studies demonstrating that divorce has a devastating impact to children, and that couples who stay together, five years later, about 80% are glad they did. So did we "know" divorce was bad before? In a certain, nonscientific sense, we certainly did, in that we acted on it. Of course, we rejected such "conventional wisdom" in an equally nonscientific manner, as we do now with gay marriage. Are we "better" now, in this area? Well, we have (finally) done the research, which shows our previous change, to increase levels of divorce on the theory that it was better for everyone involved, may have been unwise as judged by certain criteria. But yet in practice the divorce rate is now much, much higher. So if we agree, however we arrive at the conclusion, that divorce is "bad", then we'd have to conclude, at least in this area, we're morally "worse", even know we may "know" that better. If anything, that shows we're even worse still: A person who makes a mistake, not understanding it will hurt someone is, in my world anyway, less morally culpable than the person who does the same while having that knowledge.
If that isn't enough, then what is? Is there any kind of test you could suggest for changing your mind here, or larger countervailing evidence I'm missing, or is it truly, as I suggested, a dogma not based on evidence? And since when does the burden for proving something about "moral evolution", even in a societal sense, fall to me? I'm not the one who proposed and used the theory as true, to persuade others. The least you could do is go half as far as I have to offer some kind of evidence for it. Can you show that, without the influence of Christianity, the "moral" behavior of societies around the globe as a whole are "improving" over the larger span of time? Posted by: Tim on October 14, 2004 08:43 PM Fine points, Tim -- but the 100 mill murdered are, quite possibly, a smaller percentage of the living humans at the time. The US & Allies fire bombed Dresden. Our morality has evolved away from accepting that level of collateral damage. Is a gov't killing 1% of it's people (10,000 of 1,000,000,000) worse than one killing 2% (4,000 of 200,000)? I'd say evolving towards the lower percentage number is the right direction. But you ARE absolutely right about the need to have standards of "good" and "bad" -- I suggest that Kerry's Lies about Vietnam are part of the "Moral Superiority War", which the PC secular Leftists have sort of won. Your point about wisdom and factual knowledge is extremely well put and relevant. Yet the "cultural morality" of slavery has evolved to reject it, and to reject public acceptance of it. And it has evolved NEGATIVELY to accept divorce and abortion. The negative evolution is based on the assumption that anti-Christian secularists in favor of "choice" are the default, and the pro-Christian believers have the burden of proof that choice restrictions, which equal greater responsibility, need to be proven beneficial. And the proof is, slowly, coming. [Abstinence and Adoption instead of Abortion]. I'm strongly in favor of Christianity and Christian values, and feel that the current world standard of morality is loosely based on Christianity (UN Dec'l of Human Rights, not all of which I agree with). Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad on October 15, 2004 05:47 AM Tom, I think your point about evaluating number killed as a percentage of world population makes sense. I'd also agree life, overall, is less "nasty, brutish, and short" than in the days or yore, but, like you, I can't dismiss the impact Christianity, or ideas with a Jewish or Christian origin, have. Perhaps it's a bit too cheap a point to make, but I'm reminded of a common story: Missionary visits tribe locked in ongoing battle with blood enemies for generations, in a cycle of violence. Gospel is largely adopted, they stop showing up to kill the other tribe, other tribe wonders why, is also persuaded. People live longer, life is better. As your comments well illustrate, there are positive and negative trends happening simulatenously. In that I see the spread of Christianity as a "moralizing" influence, I'd say things are improving in China (among the citizens, not necessarily in government policies, where human rights abuses haven't decreased) and Africa. But in Europe, they seem ready to move back into a paganesque, authoritarian form of government. The EU appears profoundly undemocratic. And certainly, in terms of standard of living, things on the whole are improving. But, again, that's not necessarily the same as morality. I suspect changes to standard of living follow, with a lag, after people wise up. So you'll get times when a deeply moral people are living under an awful government, because of things their parents did, and also times when people living like wild pagans, but still inheriting the benefit of their parent's actions. Rome, for example, fell from within, as you'd agree. The impression I got is that everybody got soft, lazy, and decadent and the "barbarians" overran the place. Sorry for misunderstanding the thrust of your original posting. I think we're almost trained to think about moral evolution, in a sense of things being left to themselves. As I'm one of those primitive theists who believes that Christianity actually has the power to improve the heart, not merely the standard of living, and believe -- certainly based on my own experience -- that this indeed represents a kind of intervention from beyond our abilities, I'm loathe to use a term which sort of implies it happens to everyone, all the time, no matter what happens. Africa remained in the same state of uncivilization for thousands of years. Even before the British showed up, things were growing worse, not better in China -- the people who invented the printing press, clocks, and gunpowder had lost much of their great civilization. And India was living in horrid conditions, burning wives, with a huge chunk of society confined to a kind of generational slavery, and starving as the rats went well fed. Even the former, temporary "great days" of Islam were declining... The West, imperfect as it was, changed all of this. Salt. Light. Only needed in small doses to improve things, and everyone benefits. As we'd both agree was illustrated by the abolition of slavery. But that doesn't mean there aren't some awful days still to come. The seeds of dictatorship are not dead, they have just gone underground for a while. And with the push towards a single world government, that opens up all kinds of new opportunities for abuse. If it's bad and dangerous to have a small, unelected group run a whole country, just imagine the opportunties for abuse and corruption if that kind of centralization is spread over the globe. Posted by: Tim on October 16, 2004 07:51 PM Add your two cents...
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Thanks for a nice post in opposition to my comment about Dred Scott.
In my comment I did, explicitly, include the alternative of indentured servitude. And the thrust of my comment was very much like your quote:
Clarkson excused earlier Christians from advocating the abolition of slavery on the grounds that it would have destroyed society, so all-pervasive it was.
What I said was that if Dred Scott had been decided in the other way, the Civil War would have started sooner -- destroying even more of US society than the later war.
I agree that "morality was evolving" is a problematic phrase. Yet you don't convince me that, in a social sense, it isn't. Partly because of morality and law; partly because of social customs.
Gay behavior, animal rights, abortion rights/ human fetus rights. Positive and negative "rights".
What is right and wrong? What are good laws and bad laws? Is there really NO different "lifeboat morality"?
Though culture and customs vary, there is nothing to suggest these people had any different innate moral facilities that our contemporaries.
I fully agree that human nature hasn't changed; but understanding of society is improving.
Posted by: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad on October 13, 2004 11:01 PM