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The latest bit of evidence in my ongoing question to understand leftism:
I've noted before that leftism, for many, seems to be a social phenomenon. If my favored candidate had lost, I would have spoken to a friend, but I don't think I would have had some big kind of social get-together like lefitsts report having frequently these days. I'm right or wrong because of the evidence; the opinion of my friends doesn't play into it much. On one hand, I think that living in a high-density population may produce leftism, for a number of reasons, including being cut off from nature, specialization, having your heart hardened by too much exposure to your fellow man and all his faults, and other factors which show up in rat studies of high population density. On the other, high-density populations may also naturally attract people who feel a need to be important by being in the center of something big. That's certainly not a need you can feed in the middle of Kansas. That's certainly been my experience: I remember vividly meeting a fellow former Missourian in a small, stylish restaurant on Santa Monica Boulevard in LA. She asked me how I could stand living in Missouri. I didn't at all understand what she meant: There was decent food (quite a variety in St. Louis), people were nice, it wasn't like I had a compulsive need to engage in public nudity and win everyone's approval for doing so. You'd breathe there like anywhere else: Inhale, exhale, etc. I think I do now: it wasn't the center of the universe. It didn't reflect her values. And she needed to be somewhere which would affirm her values. So she moved into a cluster with many other leftists. And moved to a more "important" place. So it's self-sorting: As far as I can see, rightists don't really mind leftists (though I may be missing out on some intolerant rightists). But leftists don't like being outside of the action, and don't like being around people who don't agree with them. So they sort themselves out into clusters. Tell me if you think I'm way off base here. Steve, Do rightists self-sort? I certainly couldn't deny the possibility. Perhaps some suddenly-conservative Manhattanites feel a deep desire to move to Kansas in order to be around like minds? I suspect this isn't as prevalent, for several reasons: (1) Most the conservatives I personally know, including myself, are surrounded by "liberals". Most seem puzzled by their inability to get some kind of sensible statement of worldview out of their left-leaning loved ones, but they don't seem to feel the need to distance themselves from them, personally. (2) Conservatives, unless they decide to live in a cave, are exposed to both left-leaning and right-leaning interpretations of events. They listen to both mainstream media and conservative commentators. So again, I don't see conservatives as "hiding" from the left's version of things. I feel I often understand the left-leaning argument better than the liberals to whom I speak, but I may be unusual in that regard. On the other hand, I have a few formerly-liberal friends who remember "not wanting to hear about it" back in those days. So again, there's this desire to escape from "hearing", much like the angry atheist's desire for freedom "from" religion. (3) Elites, by definition, are cliquish and exclusionary. I don't know of any conservative "elites". Christians, for example, are always (or should be) inviting non-believers to join them with their Christian friends. On the other hand, the whole New York Times venue is about reading the right books, holding the right stances, and being with the right people. I myself notice that as I have become more conservative, I've also listened to conservative talk radio more, and read conservative blogs more. But not to the exclusion of omitting other opinions. I think there are two reasons for this: (1) Most the conservative sources I select seem more honest to me than libreral sources, in that they often report the data left out by the mainstream media. So I look to these sources for missing facts, or missing angles on those facts. It's a desire for more information, not less. (2) I listen to left-leaning sources -- like "The Nation" magazine, or "Air America" radio fairly frequently, but I get tired of verbally correcting their various errors they keep repeating. (Such as the claim that "Bush lied" about WMD, or this new idea these economic ignoramuses are now endlessly pushing -- that it was somehow "in my best interest" economically to elect Kerry -- despite the fact he didn't promise to drop my taxes any, and promised to spend far more than Bush did on what I view to be misguided policies.) I get stressed out by gross ignorance and/or continued dishonesty (who knows which it is?), so I listen to these voices less often. I can't get Al Franken to talk to me personally, he doesn't take many calls from conservatives, so there's no point in continuing to listen to him. He won't engage my points, and I can't agree with his since they don't include all the data I understand to be important. So yes, I think we're hungry for "the other" point of view. That's how I became more conservative in the first place... I already knew the left side of things and was intersted in "the other" possible point of view. Often this POV is best illustrated, as Dennis Prager and others do it, by having debates with people who disagree, rather than excluding dissenting opinions, not an insularity which "doesn't want to hear" the "other" point of view, and isn't intersted in hanging with people who express it. Again, I freely admit my corner of the world may be unusual. But I see other conservatives around me in the same situation. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on November 28, 2004 05:39 PM Add your two cents...
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I see where you are going, but I have a couple of questions. Do you think rightists self sort as well, thought maybe to a lesser degree.
Though I was once a Democrat, and still think I'm toward the center, I have to admit I find myself on the right these days.
And I'm very comfortable listening to talk radio, which is pretty rightish these days (except during news breaks and the occasions when I turn on NPR to see how the other side is thinking.) And as popular as conservative talk radio is today, and as you listen to the callers-in, it seems to me that maybe that is a form of self sorting. What do you think?
Posted by: Steve on November 28, 2004 01:15 AM