Funny, I always hear from IBOs how awesome the teaching system is and I ask them to kindly explain 1 or 2 things that upline taught (at a function or on tape)that will help them to run a profitable quixtar business.

I am still waiting..........

Matt, you are very unfortunate to have gone through that experience. I am a new IBO myself. my upline is very dedicated to me and helping me grow my business the best they can. They are professional businessmen and do not pressure me into anything. If I choose not to do something, they dont want me to do it...honestly. Being an IBO is a very respectable title to have. You just have to be willing to listen, learn and apply. Why get started with the business if your not willing to work? The statement you made about 1,000 people until diamond...is not true. It is all about how you and your upline structure your business. Its not all about getting as many people on your downline as possible, its about investing a majority of your time to 1 or 2 people in your downline at a time and produce a business relationship, but more importantly, a personal relationship that will benefit your future. This is a wonderful business, if you dont produce hard work, you will make little money, loose money, or break even. If you work hard at your business you can make as much money as you wish. People who have negative comments about IBO's are usually the ones that are not willing to work. If this business was not sucessfull, my upline would not be making over $60,000 / yr when he has only been in business for just under 3 years. The numbers are real...you just have to want them!

Good luck Neal.

By the way, how do you know what your upline makes? Have you seen his/her profit/loss statements?

Hi everyone im not too sure about the Quixtar but I just went to one of the meetings tonight and I thought it was very intersting and I gave it some thoughts and im going to give it a try... I found this blog by tring to further my intrest in IBO and how well it can be a asset to me ....

Craig, please read more articles on this blog. For most people who "try" quixtar, you will end up losing time and money. Ironically, time and money is probably what someone said you could get more of byy joining quixtar.

Matt said " The entire time I was in 'the business' I just couldn't ignore the numbers. It took 1,000 people or so to 'make' a diamond. When they'd ask at a function "why aren't you all diamonds?" I thought the guy was completely stupid and wanted to shout "only 1 in 1,000 of us could be!"

Joe says "That's about right and until you look at the business from a logical perspective, you can be tricked into chasing the dream also!"

Shaun said: I'm not sure what you people are talking about, but quixtar is the best thing that has ever happened to me. With-in the next two years I will be a DIAMOND!!!! So stop with your negitive mind set and get up and do somthing.
Posted by: Shaun on March 23, 2004 01:14 PM

Joe says: What happened to Shaun? Has there been any new diamonds named "Shaun" lately?

Diamond said: Being an IBO is the best thing that ever happened to me and frankly I say to you 50 yr plan for u 5 yr plan for me in financial freedom yay I win!!

Joe says: I take it you just signed up for quixtar. Did you know the corporation is changing the name back to "Amway"?

Diamond said: what does that matter if they change their name to poop im still growing and making money

Joe says: Care to give some details on your business or are you playing the fale it till you make it routine?

What I want to know is why those who have made it, uplines are they called?? Why none of THEM ever post anything? They are the ones who know the real deal. I have yet to hear of someone who has made thousands of dollars off of this, I have only come across hear say. I want to hear first hand.

Terrence, there are some former diamonds who have come forward with their stories. These diamonds have said they made most of their money from the sale of tapes, books and seminar tickets and not from quixtar.

I believe that to be true and I believe many downline are deceived into thinking that they will get rich from quixtar.

I don’t know why are you giving your negative comments..have you really seen the real deal? What you are saying is probably the words of others who couldn’t do it.. when I first joined Quixtar, the first thing my upline told me was , “ its totally up to you how you handle this business..i have seen people who have covered the cost of registration in a month, I have seen who covered it in 6 months and I have seen who are in this business for more than a year and they are still unable to recover their cost ”
So you see the deal here..its not about selling..its about sharing the opportunity and creating a network..we all use and buy products..why not buy one of the best products ( you can do a research on these products).. why not buy these and let others know about it..my upline never told me that I ll be able to reach the diamond level..he told me “ if you want to get good stuff and get paid for it and want extra $500-$1000 at the end of the month, you are welcome ” ( and yes I got $8 first month..$100 the second month..this is my third month and I ll be getting $200 +) so yea this thing is real !!
One more thing I would like to add, we all do shopping right? U burn your fuel to get to the store and buy household products..if you see the trend, fuel cost will go high in no time in next few years..and according to many believers, the next generation shopping will be done on the internet.. and the is the best place I could find to do the online shopping.. except for making negative comments you can ask anyone who is in this thing.. and m not asking anyone of you to join, I am just sharing what we have real !!
Any questions you want to ask, feel free to ask me razazaidi@gmail.com

kp said: So you see the deal here..its not about selling..its about sharing the opportunity and creating a network..

Joe says: That approach to this business makes it possibly an illegal pyramid.

kp said: ( and yes I got $8 first month..$100 the second month..this is my third month and I ll be getting $200 +) so yea this thing is real !!

Joe says: Great, how many people did you sponsor and how much are you spending on standing order and functions?

Buying double x for $78 instead of a multi vitamin for $15.99 at Costco doesn;t seem like a good value to me.

yup..good questions joe..m glad..
illegal pyramid? which means person at the top makes most of the money right?now i dont know if you are going to believe me, but my sponcer made more money in a particular month than his upline.(yes i saw the cheques).and you can also check websites ( non quixtar) which quote quixtar to be one of the most successful "LEGAL" business in US..Furthermore stores like dell, circut city and barns and nobles are partnered with us..dont u think they have lawers to tell them this thing is illegal?

i sponcored 3 people, who then sponcored few more..and i am not on standing order, my upline is providing the cds and books..but i am going to buy those eventually..and i went to one function "FED"..it cost me around $200 for the trip..well i dont see any waste here..it was worth it i know..it was an invesment made for myself..

and about dounlex well its not $78 its $52 for the ibos...and i cant explain this, you are a smart guy no doubt about that..do a little bit of research if u can abt these.you will find the answer...i use them and i love them !!
its a v good value for me..and i get paid for eating those. !!

kp said: i sponcored 3 people, who then sponcored few more..and i am not on standing order, my upline is providing the cds and books..but i am going to buy those eventually..and i went to one function "FED"..it cost me around $200 for the trip..well i dont see any waste here..it was worth it i know..it was an invesment made for myself..

Joe says: So basically, your group is losing money - due to the functions, and eventually you will lose even more when you start buying your own tapes. If you enjoyed the function, that's great but what benefit was it to your business?

kp said: and about dounlex well its not $78 its $52 for the ibos

Joe says: Excuse me, I thought you sold those to customers once in a while. Even at $52, it's more than double the cost of multi vitamins that I can get at Costco. Oh, and Costco gives me a 3 month supply for less than half the price of a 30 day supply of double x.

Yea, I would have quit talking to Joe too. It's what you make it! Spend little time, make little money. Spend a lot of time, make a lot of money! It isn't for everyone. Some people would rather sit at home and watch a movie instead of showing someone the plan. The plan is now available on line. Go find it! Then talk to an IBO.

Hey David, do you have an update on your quixtar efforts?

I was a former "IBO" for quixtar, or i mean distributor instead of buisiness owner. I can tell you being out of the business I see what is truly important to me in life, more so than material things they say you can have if you become a diamond, ect in supporting your business. Im a manager at a grocery store and I can tell you I have a couple thousand dollars sitting in my bank account and I have alot more time on my hands. Some of the best things in life are free! I know have more TIME and MONEY, than I ever did with being an IBO! Life is great, its all what you make out of it!

I saw whole conversation and by the grace of god I have attended many of suchkind of meetings. Quixtar give it as name of E-Commerce but it is simplpy MLM(Multy Level Marketing). Many of the post authors are rightly saying that why only one in Diamond category instead of all of them... Dude its all about making others convience and making ur downline work for you so u get money widout working. This is kinda Immoral. Circuit City and others earn money from this so for them nothing is illegal...

CP, you are right. Other businesses like Walmart may have critics, but those critics don't call Walmart a scam like critics of the quixtar tools kingpins.

I've been contacted twice to join one of these joints and I had 2 friends who joined them. I thought about becoming a member also. So here are some of my thoughts:
Currently, I like my way of living and having a ton of money doesn't buy you happiness, nor does it buy you time. In their "events" they tell you that everyone can become a multi-millionaire just by joining and working hard. It has yet to be explained what hard work means.
What do I actually have to do to make it work?

Any other job has a clear description: build 3 houses instead of 2 in the same amount of time. Get your website done in 2 weeks instead of 6 months... you get my point.
To accomplish that you need the right tools with the right people that actually do the work. In these events you only talk to the people that don't do the work. They want you to work... to which they don't have a description for. Visiting all your friends is not work... it's socializing and, depending on your friends, can become embarrassing. Has nothing to do with work.

In case you're a talented guy that can convince even strangers to buy anything, you might be better off working in sales for a big company. Those bonuses are great - I've never heard of a successful salesman complaining about playing golf with partners. And if you're good in selling, you probably have no problem selling yourself in interviews either.

I congratulate everyone who actually made it. However, I also feel sorry for those that have to lie about how much they made to cover up their "hopefully" once-in-a-lifetime mistake.

I spent some time writing this hoping that I might have saved someones time and money by trying. Get a real job or come up with your own business idea!

Currently, I like my way of living and having a ton of money doesn't buy you happiness...

Don't worry, unless you're one of the few upper-levels who make money an entirely different way (off teaching materials and events) you won't get the chance to let a ton of money change your character. But you can spend a lot of cash and time learning what not to do! :-)

What do I actually have to do to make it work?

You have to be one of the founders, or one of the "Diamonds" who makes money as described above. Of course, even then, it depends upon what "works" mean. If "working" means making money without scamming others, then it never "works."

In these events you only talk to the people that don't do the work. They want you to work...

Well, half right. They're generally "working" too. Only none of that "work" actually produces any economic value. But you're right in thinking that they're trying to recruit you so that they can stop working so hard at it.

The reason why some people in Quixtar can get "residual income" AKA getting something for nothing, is they need ot get enough mislead downline to do the work for them. Thus the downline gets nothing for something while the upline kingpin gets something for nothing.

Even wonder why many diamonds talk about early retirement yet they are still working?

Me: So I challenge you now to give me a respectable and provable reason as why not to get into this.

Joecool says: I suspect you are not sincere about this, but I will give it a shot:

1. The average income of an active IBO is $115 a month before expenses. Amway discarded the IBOs who do nothing from their count.

2. Many IBOs shoot for platinum. A fraction of 1% of IBOs reach platinum. Platinum does not guarantee you a net profit if you are dedicated to a teaching system. Only a fraction of 1% of platinums ever go onto diamond.

3. The pyramidal nature of the compensation plan ensures that most IBOs make little or nothing so a few can succeed.

4. The prices of products are not competitive. Amway builds in at least a 30%+ margin to cover the cost of IBO bonuses.

5. The company has a shady reputation because of trick or deceptive IBOs who use questionable recruitment tactics.

6. Buying from Amway is actually not good for your local economy. Profit goes to Amway and your neighborhood store loses a sale.

I hope I addressed your concern. U have more if you request.

p.s. Happy New Year!

Me- I think the point is that the average person doing Amway gets a very very low return on their time investment, even much lower than from a minimum wage job.

The only way that a person can "succeed" is to convince a large number of people below them to work for, on average, far less than minimum wage by drastically misrepresenting how much they can expect to earn per hour worked.

Many companies and organizations have a pyramid shaped organizational chart. The difference is that in a job or company, all employees get paid and have a net gain at the end of the month. Also, the money is made from customers. In Quixtar, many of the lower tiered IBOs make nothing and possibly suffer losses if they are in the tools system.

Yes, there are some teams who operate ethically, but many do not. How would someone know whether they are in a good group or not? WHy doesn't the corporation seek and shut down the bad teams?