I have to know. Based on the lack of capitaliztion, was this a post by Robb? Even sadder if it was. He can't trade intelligent punches so he resorts to the Eric-Cartmanesque "Screw you guys, I'm goin' home" mentality.

Sad indeed. If it was him.

I'd say the average person is someone who can't think for themself...or doesn't want to. That could be in or out of Quixtar.

can someone please tell me if you can really make money doing this?

You CAN. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth it.
There are people on both sides of the spectrum that will argue passionately, and emotionally. Filter these opinions. Educate yourself about the business a little more. Asking whether or not you can make money will only give you equally conflicting and frustrating opinions. Listen to Tim and Imran, they both use logic and fair arguments.
Try www.quixtarblog.com also. I try to stay unbiased and look at both sides of the argument, and there you will find some pretty diverse opinions.
I think you'll find that, more than the issue of money, people who have left the business feel ashamed, confused, cheated, and decieved. I lost money and made money...that didn't matter nearly as much as the respect I lost for myself, and the feeling of sickness I got when I saw a crowd of people believing a lie.
Good luck, whatever path you pursue!

IS THIS A SCAM

IS THIS A SCAM
In my opinion yes. You read urself and decide:

www.amquix.info
quixtarblog.com
quixtar.com

Ok so people think this is a so called pyrimid. Well what is a job? You dont make more then your boss, do you? Nor does your boss make more than his boss, to me thats a pyrimid. It does seem to easy, i have to say that. But i started to belive in it when my brother started taking off (making Money). All your doing is changing peoples buying habits to a better product. Its nothing new. if any one has quiestions feel free to ask.

I stumbled on this website and it is amazing to see what you all are wasting your time with. Go out and find something productive to do. I am not here to BASH anyone so please do not go down that route, but some of you keep coming back to this site. I see you make new entry of your thoughts daily. Yes the business is not easy, but neither is working for someone else for 40 years and unlike those this works when you figure it out and do the work.
Like the Matrix Movie you have two choices and unlike what some have written find out what these Teams that are building this business for. Yes the money works, but you can make an impact on another person’s life in a positive way. The people that have built this business big usually were the ones that this thing helped them out of there bad situation. I hope to anyone checking this thing out gets a chance to go to a FED (Free Enterprise Day) part of the BWW system. Yes you might have to invest $100 for a Ticket, but would you do that to see Today’s leading recording artist?
Anyway you will come back with an out look on life of what else can I do to impact this hurting world in a Good way. Besides going to Church, which most are not willing to do, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOUR FINACIAL AND MENTALLY INDEPENDEDNT WHAT YOU WILL DO TO HELP MENTOR ME TO WHERE U ARE AT.
It is funny I never get anyone who is willing to accept that challenge, but most are so set on there egos that they never like what they see on there own inside when they start these kinds of business’s so they zip back up and blame others for there loss. If it works for thousands of people which the latest yearly Achieve Magazine shows then are all these people ripping people off?
As someone that has really investigated it, the answer is No. The only bad media has been coming from the people that did get greedy in the late 80's and early 90's. All the negative websites you will see about bad publicity if investigated are made funded and posted by people with an agenda that were from during that era.
My opinion is there info is so outdated and invalid that it does not apply to the new IBO's getting started in the today Quixtar Business. They are just so mad at what happen to them years ago that they have not learned to forgive change and move on in life. I could not imagine living ever day with that burden and hate on a person’s heart. If you are reading this ask yourself wouldn't it be nice to know the truth. Well go find out and you will be part of a great cause which you can help other over come life or money problems.

My opinion is there info is so outdated and invalid that it does not apply to the new IBO's getting started in the today Quixtar Business.

This is so absurd that it's sickening. It's an outright lie.

Give me some sites that shows up to date information about Quixtar.

I'll compare that information with information on 'negative' site any day of the year.

Read my site. I was in Quixtar recently. http://quixtarsucks.blogspot.com/

They are just so mad at what happen to them years ago that they have not learned to forgive change and move on in life.

I'm not mad. I love talking about wrestling, golf, squash, sports, Sex, Quixtar, Girls. What is wrong with that?

I could not imagine living ever day with that burden and hate on a person’s heart.

You are assuming. Back it up. Be a man.

If you are reading this ask yourself wouldn't it be nice to know the truth.

You have not posted any data, fact, number. Where's the truth? All you want is people who do not share your opinion stop talking. Are you a politician?

Well go find out and you will be part of a great cause which you can help other over come life or money problems.

Great! I'm part of http://pyramidschemealert.org/ this cause.

I think that Imran has issues

ive been introduced to quixtar by a neighbor who has convinced my roommate quixtar is such a wonderfully life changing experience...they have now tried this on myself...ive been visited three times and today by one of higher upline individuals...i can only laugh...i like to ask the same question more than once in these situations and see how well they know what they beleive and its just so amazing how the answer to my questions are entirely different from the moment i asked the same question 3 yes THREE minutes earlier!!! they sure do know what theyre talking about,huh? well i guess so because like their answers theyre selling lies!!!!! in my opinion quixtar is a demented illusion of many. in all sincerity i really do for sorry for these people...THEY KNOW NO BETTER

I recently signed on as an IBO. I am a professional in my 40's, college educated and not looking for any quick fixes ie. get rich quick schemes. Met a very nice, smooth talking businessman who was earning "residual" income from a new internet based business model. It seems he was very connected and probably earning some cash after doing this for five years. No mention of Quixtar nor its sister company Amway at any time. I've read some business books in the past that he used as support to legitamaize their pursuits. That seemed to seal the deal between us because I knew a lot more about how the business model they are trying to represent than most(Robert Keyosaki's book The Cash Flow Quadrant). Without doing really any research(stupid me) I antied up $200.00 to become a new IBO. Gee, I've got a good job I reasoned and it can't hurt, people gamble $200.00 away or spend that on cigarettes or alcohol in a very short time with no chance to make any money so at least if I work hard I will have a chance. When I found more time with my busy schedule I found this website and unfortunately I found what I later feared, 90% negative posts. I once was involved with a religous cult and have been free for four years after spending almost 18 years living lies and accepting half truths. I feel from listening to their tapes and material which thankfully I did not buy I am getting the same feeling. I now am very sensitive to speech techniques and sales ploys. I have never been to a Quixtar seminar or gathering, that's how trusting I was in the man who sponsered me. I have serious doubts. I've already given my $200.00. I probably will make some purchases through Quixtar and attend a future seminar to make up my own mind for sure who these people are. It is not only poorer uneducated people who might jump into the game but people with stable employment, good education who are trusting certain people and looking for something new. Internet based business, far cry from Amway.

Regards,

DB

Intresting opinions and comments from everyone; yet I agree with Mike's perspective. As many of us know, life is all about the choices you make. Depending on the choices you make your destiny or path can be layed out before you. Some people will be successful and others will fail Regardless, its better to be average then to be homeless.

Thanks.

truely many of you guys are arguing passionately . but if you see some of the answers given by so called the firm believers of the Q* they al follow a pattern.
Let me confess i was also motivated to earn easy money and joined it, just gave in easily to my neighbour and paid the $200 odd dollars. and started going to the group meetings.
well after getting motivated by them, rather being brain washed by them i used to fervently argue with the so called other non believers of quick star.. lol..
but very soon i realized that what they say abt the products is not all true. they say abt vitamins and pills... and throw a big chart of the uses and the vitamin contents.. truely does your body need such excessof things... even if you thrust so much will it take.. .and if it takes is it good...perhaps fewer people know of hyper vitamnosis........and its effects...
( fogive the spelling)
they say detergents..... so costly
now leave the products... they messages they give clearly alienates u from your friends and buddies.
perhaps iti s truely called a cult..
ofcourse it is given or preached in a sweet way.
quote"" dont spend ur energy in non believers.. it is like negative energy , avoid it, distance urself from it ""
somewhat like religous groups saying that nonbelievers are sinners........( i am not picking on any one)
so hollow .......
indeeed i lost many when i joined it, and agin many more when i came out and they joined it.
( bad either way....)
by the way i came out because i couldnot do what it demanded.. always keep hunting for ur victims..

i believe that some ppl sell their self respect.. and keep hunting for victims or prospective IBO's
near walmart, malls......
hell i wont do that no matter if it gets me the money it promises.........

take it from me guys , if you hear any one saying that he makes a lot of money from it .. he is just lieing....

caution: before any one of you start jumping on me
can you reveal what in exact money you make each month ... rather be sepcific on the profit , so that ppl can see what is the margin u have after u buy the tapes or books or drinks .....

and pls refrain from the future tense.. that you would get ur downlinks..... nad it would be more....

for your info.. i came out of quick star in a month....

Ahh, don't you just love being enlighted by a 16 year old who says we have a lot to learn about life? I'm sure they're speaking from experience when talking about real world work.

Your last statement speaks volumes of your devotion to motivational rhetoric not to mention the future of your will to think for yourself. Did you conclude that no one likes their job on your own based on your extensive work experience or just regurgitate it from one of your motivational leaders?

By the way, I do love my job. I work for a very large church as their Technical Director. I do something I trained myself to do because I wanted to do it since I was young. And now I have the opportunity to work with some great Christian people and have a ministry to go along with it. But I guess I'm lying to myself. One couldn't possibly love their job, right. Because your tapedeck told you different, didn't it?

I will say this though. This 16 year old has better English/spelling skills than virtually all of his/her Quixtar counterparts who are probably twice his/her age. Perhaps when he/she makes it big they can teach the IBO community how to spell, use the word 'edify' in the proper context, and what the difference between the words 'there' and 'their' is.

Q. is a rip off. but i moved on. I know more now about what I dont want in a business.. Q, is like a cult. They are very controling. It would have been a good company if you have gotten in years ago. Now its to over rated.I remember that my upline's rule was that We cannot talk to other down line or side line about how our business was doing. One time i offered on ibo a candy, and he turn turn to his upline for permission to take it. I thought that was cult like behavior. I got out because i was spending more than i was making. I only saw my up, upline making money. My up line was also lying to me about how he was doing in the business. He was in the business for a while and i ask him how much BV does he bring in every month. He basically told me in so many word to mind my business. I thought that was strange.
I later found out that he was not doing reat either

correction: My upline was not doing well in the business either

Everyone is entitled to opinions, but consider...

Work hard in Quixtar, same intensity of your job, for a grueling 20 hours a week for 5 years, and you can retire for the rest of your life.

Work hard at your job, give it everything you got, and you may get a raise with no promises for future employment.

I know what I'm doing.

Everyone is entitled to opinions...

Sure are. It would just be nice if people did a bit of research before forming them...

Work hard in Quixtar, same intensity of your job, for a grueling 20 hours a week for 5 years, and you can retire for the rest of your life.

Huh? What planet are you from? You smokin' crack or something? Who's gonna retire on $88/month, before expenses? Good heavens man, you'll make more money part time at Mickey D's!

Look, I have friends who have been doing Crapxtar for years and years, and have recruited literally hundreds of people, and were held up as models to me when I was looking into it. Are they rich? Wealthy? Well off? Do they have anything to show for their "success"?

Hah! No, they're still doing the jobs they hate and driving beat up old cars. (And there's nothing wrong with beat-up cars -- but when you're bragging about "retiring for life" it's a bit ironic.) And, mind you, they've signed up hundreds and were touted as major successes!

I just had a conversation with my younger sister in regards to her initiation with Quixtar. Always pursue your due diligence in any venture. The research i've done on both sides of the arguement leave me skeptical on going onboard.

I love my sister and her 4 children, a good Christ centered family who are hard working and kind people. I only pray that no one would decieve them and endanger their futures.

I agree that the only way to success is working hard, diligence and more so Faith but I am initially weary of approaching friends and family from the outset of any business.

Bottom line Pray about it first research and rationalize before going forward.

Hello E,
Quixtar is not a cult. There are others within our society that like to have a job and there are others that will enjoy the team atmosphere and the postive attitudes that IBO's have. It is a different conversation with people that are working hard to better their families lifestyle by doing something different than a traditional job. The working industry has changed over this last decade and if you only continue to work your job you will notice that you will need to get a 2nd job in order to keep up with inflation and other expenses. The best advice that one can listen to is from those that are already consistantly successful in an ethical way. Read what the economists and futurists are saying about the next million dollar industry. A business like Quixtar is right in line for a terrific future...and many of these authors are proponents of Quixtar. Find someone that is good like you and help others to understand the business model. My husband and I are extremly successful in this business... We work together 10hrs avg weekly and we raise our kids together. This business is not easy...you will need to be around positive people going for the same goals as you. The majority of people in society are very insecure with themselves and need to pull others down. There is more to life than working hard for someone else and just barely making it.
I wish for you all of the best in life...and remember, Quixtar is a great company...but that doesn't mean that everyone in the business is great...we are all independant business owners...we are not all perfect.

Quixtar androids get brainwashed very quickly and forget even the most basic mathematical/economic/business principles. they don't even know the difference betweeb GROSS income and NET income.

I've been told over and over again by quixbots, "Hey I got a $200 check last month!!!" My response is "How much did you spend to get that $200 check? How much time did you put in?"

the said answer is they continually lose money month after month, and months where they do eek out a tiny PROFIT it is hardly worth it... I helped my friend figure it out one month... and he
made a whopping THREE DOLLARS PER HOUR doing quixtar. They could have made more money working at McDonalds

Quixtar androids get brainwashed very quickly and forget even the most basic mathematical/economic/business principles. they don't even know the difference betweeb GROSS income and NET income.

I've been told over and over again by quixbots, "Hey I got a $200 check last month!!!" My response is "How much did you spend to get that $200 check? How much time did you put in?"

the said answer is they continually lose money month after month, and months where they do eek out a tiny PROFIT it is hardly worth it... I helped my friend figure it out one month... and he
made a whopping THREE DOLLARS PER HOUR doing quixtar. They could have made more money working at McDonalds

Whatever happened to E and the 5 kids who joined quixtar to save money on items? It seems to make sense to me I have 4 children under the age of 4 and I sometimes pay a sitter so that I can travel 30 minutes to Target, 25 minutes over to Trader Joe's, and then run by Costco and I also check ebay for deals once a month or so (i buy diapers, wipes, paper products and used kids clothes there). We eat low sugar, low carb, brown rice and I have to travel to get it. Seeing it all online at once looks good. But no one that want's me to join Quixtar can provide me a name of someone like me with a bunch of kids that doesn't want to drive to the suburbs week after week. Any opinions?

I got this off another blog:

You guys don't know what you are talking about.
While all you broke losers are going to work I will be sleeping in. I will make sure that I hire you to clean my toliets. And don't worry I will make sure that you get good benefits .
There is no excuse for cowards. You are guys make me want to throw up.
Posted by: Ryan Hicks at July 27, 2005 07:06 PM

It seems as if the quixtarian teach an "us versus them" attitude to their IBO's. Therefore
you are either:

Smart if you see the light and sign up:

Or you will not sign up, become a critic and a broke loser.

What people don't understand is that your dreams and goals can be accomplished without quixtar.

Andrey,

Your comment was deleted. Read the comment rules. Specificly, Quixtar IBOs need to try -- hard as this might be for you -- to refrain from incessantly calling everyone who disagrees with you "losers." Bzzzt.

Andrey, who's been in Quixtar 1 day, wrote:
I signed up as an IBO yesterday. Im a 19 yr old college student... Tha plan freakin works...

Funny, that's not what the long-time IBOs here say. I guess they don't know as much as a 19-year-old who's been signed up for one whole day, but you should consider what they're telling them, instead of just calling eveyone who tries to warn you a "loser" and plugging up your ears.

Yes, of course, it "works". For Quixtar. That's why over 50% of IBOs drop each year, right? Because it's "working" so well for them?

Friend, get a clue: Quixtar "pays" its average IBO only $115 a month. (Before expenses, of course.) If you're working the 40 hours a month they ask, that's less than minimum wage. Oh, and don't forget to factor in all the gas and time and little "extras" and "tools" they want you to buy. And of course, if you're doing it right, you'll also be buying lots of product$$$ from Quixtar all that time -- at marked-up prices -- so they'll be making lots of money from you, at least.

Andrey: i've never done business, but i have a job... Q* is a business plan.

Andrey is absolutely sure about two things. One is that he has almost no experience in business. The other is that he's sure he knows a good business plan when he sees one. Humility, anyone?

Andrey, you're a classic example of the very thing I wrote about here: the Quixtar Ego-Trap. Everyone else is a loser. You don't have to think or analyze, do you? Just sign up and insult all those neanderthals who seem to object -- for some mysterious reason you can't identify because you've never listened to their arguments, much less tried to answer them.

As I said above:

So, do they sit down and think about the things people are saying they've learned about Quixtar? Do they ponder whether Quixtar is profitable or ethical? Do they consider whether people are trying to help them avoid a hurtful trap?

No. They see someone opposed to it, and run away as quickly as possible, without thinking. Because they really don't want to know that their "dream" of being non-average won't be achieved though Quixtar.

Andrey, you seem to think because it costs you $200 to sign up, this is all you have to lose. Ummmm... no, you buy product. Lots of it each month, if you're doing it right. (Didn't you notice that?) You buy tools. (Didn't you notice that also?) And most importantly, you spend your precious time -- which could pay you a lost more -- on "work" that basicly puts you in the hole. (Or did you miss that one too?)

That's how many IBOs I know have ended up thousands of dollars in the hole. Oh, but of course, you're different. Why? Because you have an arrogant conviction that you're "different". Just like they were. Every last one of them. It's part of the profile, sadly.

So Quixtar IBOs play to your ego, frame everyone else as a "loser", and then ask which club you wanna join. So you join, because you're pretty simple to operate: that ego makes you easy to control.

It's not a "business", Andrey, it a pyramid. It's like a chain letter, only instead of sending a letter with a check to your upline, you do it each time you buy product. Think, Andrey: Why doesn't everyone get rich from chain letters? Oh yeah, right: because someone always gets holding the bag. Quixtar is like that but worse.

Otherwise, everyone would just sit around doing Quixtar and becoming millionaires, if it truly worked. We'd all be filthy rich. Oh, I forgot: We "losers" don't want to be rich. Riiiight. You believed that line too, didn't you?

Andrey, there's a reason IBOs endlessly try to convince you everyone else is a loser. Why? To keep you from spotting the more obvious candidate. If you know where the losers are -- out there -- then you won't have to ask the painfully obvious question:

What if I'm the loser in this arrangement?

You're raw meat, Andrey.

I'm afraid I've gone and been dreadfully analytical again:

"Average" is actually not a character quality. It's a mathematical phenomenon, basically meaning the middle sampling of a group of something.

So the question of whether you want to be "average" kind of depends on what the middle is in the middle of.

Say 10 students all studied 8 hours for a test. The average score for those 10 students was 99%. Do I want to be average in the middle of that group? Yup. Or, if I'm not average, I can beat that average for 100% score, or I can come up short with a 98%. In all, I'm still doing pretty okay. And, even on the bottom, I've demonstrated good character.

10 more students studied for 5 minutes, total, on commercial breaks. Average score: 50%. Do I want to be average (or above average or below average) in the middle of that group? Nope. One kid was way above average and got a 60%. Woo hoo!

The average construction worker gets, what, $40,000 a year? I don't know. Any construction workers out there who can help me with this one? He can excel in his field and get more than that, or struggle in his field and get less.

The average Quixtar IBO gets $1380/year, before expenses. If the ones who excel get a million a year, how many below-average IBOs does it take to create a mathematical average of $115/month?

Since Quixtar doesn't release figures on how hard the average IBO works, unfortunately, it's difficult to measure the "character" quality involved in this figure. IBOs have told me the $115/month figure is meaningless because so few IBOs really pursue the business. To that my response is:

a) tens of thousands of below-average IBOs HAVE to move product, or the million-dollar guy gets zip.

b) if people are getting into this for mere shopping privileges, and don't want to pursue the business, they should technically become members and not IBOs, thus wouldn't be reflected in the monthly income figure released by Quixtar. If IBOs are following Quixtar rules, they are fully presenting member and client options in addition to IBO-ness. (My recruiter did not follow Quixtar rules, so this figure could very well be skewed to a certain extent.)

c) the $115/mo average applies to all ACTIVE IBOs (true, we don't know how much time and money they are putting in; we just know it's enough to support the guy way up on top, which claims say is a lot). This rules out the people who are doing nothing at all.

We could throw into this scenario some people who are well above average and are making $10,000 a year. They are contributing more, on average, to the million dollar man's bottom line. But we still have to add even more IBOs on the bottom side of the $115/mo average, who are most definitely not doing nothing and also most definitely not making even $115 a month, in order for that kind of average to come out.

It's just like a set of balanced scales. The stand in the middle is $1380. If you put someone who weighs even so little as $10,000 on the plate on the right side, you have to add a whole bunch of people who weigh less than $1380 on the plate on the left in order for the balance to maintain.

Do I want to be an average Quixtar IBO? No. Do I want to be an above-average IBO? No. I've got a business that I enjoy and that provides far, far better income without the weight upon my conscience.

Jo,

The saddest part about the IBOs is that they're typically hit-'n'-run: they come here, post their half-baked logic, call everyone "losers", and then run away quickly. Hard to learn like that.

If the ones who excel get a million a year, how many below-average IBOs does it take to create a mathematical average of $115/month?

So basically, prospects should go work part time flipping burgers instead of doing Quixtar because
flipping burgers is more lucrative.

In fact, since many IBOs who dedicate themselves to the teaching system lose money, they are better off doing nothing. Sitting at home watching "The Simpsons" is better than quixtar (if you are forking out $$$ on the teaching system).

Do you think that a person can build quixtar honestly. I mean come right out and say that I am an Quixtar business owner and here are some of the products and companies I am affiliated with now. This is the pay plan. Don't buy products that you can get cheaper in the store. Etc. Etc. Etc. Is it possible to make it with that approach anymore?

John, to answer your question - no.

I read that Jason is successful in Quixtar Business in the age of 16. So 16 is the minimum age of starting the business.? if so, he started earning >5000 right away? What a kid? A kid for which his mom is proud for?

Ann Wrote: I read that Jason is successful in Quixtar Business in the age of 16. So 16 is the minimum age of starting the business.? if so, he started earning >5000 right away? What a kid? A kid for which his mom is proud for?

Joe says: If you believe that, I have some swamp land in Florida that you may be interested in.

Joe says: If you believe that, I have some swamp land in Florida that you may be interested in.

I accidentally had my feet dipped in a sewer swamp named Quixtar. Ultimately, when I took my feet out and cleaned it up, I realized that I have a empty pocket. The worms and the leeches in that sewer swamp sucked all my money. Now, my hobby is to clean up that swamp. So Joe, I may not be interested in any more swamps! The 16 year old kid who is making money right from the "month of his joining" may be interested in your offer!

Ann, you are right. Many IBOs make fake claims about their level or success in the business as a way to entice you to join. Many later quit the business with empty pockets and a bad taste in their mouths, and why the company has a shoddy reputation.

A Quixtar IBO recently left this comment, and I wanted to respond to it because it just struck me as being incredibly sad:

"this is to everybody and their negative opinions. i hope all of you enjoy your average life. because that is all you will be, average. so enjoy it!"

I recently had someone mention this to me on another blog, and I was thinking about it a bit.
Being that the average IBO makes $115 a month, joining quixtar almost gurantees that you will be "below average". By "below average", I mean that the average IBO earns less than minimum wage. Of course there are soem success stories, but without big kingpins like Bill Brittm the average IBO income might be more like $60 a month. Food for thought.