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I felt I'd been 'saved' in my early teens. But I noticed that atheists seemed to act as though they had some proof or evidence that God didn't exist. Most notably, Carl Sagan seemed to love God's creation, but he actively assured me, in Cosmos, that it was foolish to believe in a God who could "count sparrows." I didn't see the logic of his argument -- after all, if there was any sentience behind the universe, why shouldn't he/she/it be able to count sparrows? After triggering the big bang, it would seem a bit of sparrow-counting would be fairly light work. So I prayed a prayer to the "God" I believed I knew, told him I was going to be intellectually honest and look into the counter-evidence; if the evidence went the other way, I wouldn't be able to believe in him any more. So, when I got to college, I sought out the best counter-evidence I could find. Prominent among recommendations was Why I'm not a Christian by Betrand Russell, who was not only an atheist, but also had a reputation as a famous and ground-breaking mathematician and logician. So, surely, I thought, I'm going to lose my faith now. How could a college kid ever match wits with, or disprove, such a notable and intelligent man? Boy, was I in for a surprise: Russell's argument was quite the mess. I'm not going to spend my time on a full refutation, but here's some of the highlights which still stick out in my mind... For one, Russell starts out with a straw man argument:
Certainly, we can debate whether, by our own particular standards, Christ was the "best and wisest of men" -- that's quite an interesting debate. But before that, one would need to expose all one's cards: What are one's own values? Russell was a polyamorous communist, so I suppose it would be quite the compliment, at least in my eyes, to be called "not wise nor good" by a man recommending such values. So we're looking a form of circular reasoning: We evaluate Christ based on our own values, and -- ta-da -- arrive whichever stance on the matter which will then lead us back to our own values. An an atheist, I think Christ was bad. Since Christ was bad, there's no reason not to be an atheist. Again, this is supposed to be a well-respected logician. Getting back to the first (strawman) fallacy: It's probably fair to say -- especially a century ago, when Russell wrote this -- that there was a general sense in which most or all of Europe was at least vaguely "Christian". Yet when you debate the religion proper, and it's specific dogmas, it is inaccurate to substitute the broader cultural definition and use that instead. And the "popular" stance on many a matter is quite easy to refute: Russell refutes the idea that Jesus was not a "good man", if one believes he's not also God. Funny, C.S. Lewis also felt the same way, and it led him to the opposite conclusion. Of course, unlike Lewis, Russell never broaches the actual question: Was Jesus God? Perhaps, as an atheist, he felt the question below him: Since God doesn't exist, then of course Jesus can't be God. So I will continue to be an atheist. Round and round we go in circular logic loops, using our desired conclusions as our starting assumptions.
Russell's mistakes are numerous, but mentioning two will suffice. First, when he says "If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause", he's doing a bit of straw man. At his time, it was believed (by materialists, at least) that everything we could observe in this universe was caused by something else. But God, as creator of the universe, would not be included in this set: as something that preceeds the universe (cosmos) and is outside the universe, there's no reason to believe he would be required to have the same attributes and properties as things inside the universe. But the biggest gaffe, which blew my mind, was this:
Was Russell out of his mind? Though the big bang was not known to him, surely he must have known at least some basic science: For example, that the world apparenly had an age, or that entropy told us the universe was running down, and would never wind itself up again. When I look at the universe, asking: "Have you always been here?" The one thing it tells me, over and over, in a dozen different ways, is "No." So here's a math professor directly contradicting (or at least ignoring) the best science of his time in order to make his religious point. Needless to say, I was not impressed.
It's a reasonable refutation, but assumes something not in the original: In Russell's story, there is presumably only one person or company supplying all the oranges. There is only one, if you will, actor. So if when we look at the first layer of oranges, we're looking at the "fruits" (sorry for the pun) of the same guy who will be supplying the lower layers as well. The problem here is that he's not refuting theism. There are religious systems (pantheism) that believe there is only one "player" or "actor" in the universe: God is everyone, including both Hitler and Mother Theresa. But if so, Russell would be refuting some flavor of Hinduism or Buddhism, not Christianity. Christianity poses that there are many people who get to offer up "oranges" (moral acts). There are many consignments of oranges coming in from many suppliers. And, frankly, as a Christian, I have noticed that those coming from God -- not the guy next door -- seem to be of vastly better quality. (Especially when compared to the average produced by those embracing Betrand's pet philosophy, atheism.) And based on that, I look forward to the day when God's wares dominate the market.
If belief is God is only triggered by the wish that there was someone who was looking after you, then why isn't it also possible that humans might reject the possibility of God, wishing there was no one looking out for -- or, much more importantly, judging -- you? Russell is keenly aware of the possibility -- indeed, certainty, he believes -- of an emotional or wish-fulfilling components in his opponent's beliefs. Yet apparently he is of another species altogether, one that doesn't have to worry about a similar taint in one's own beliefs. Yet, given that he keeps resorting to logical fallacies, that is precisely where he needed to look. When a man believes dogs have teeth, we don't wonder about his motives: Dogs, when we examine them, do appear to have teeth. Being right is it's own justification. But when we find someone asserting things which appear run smack in the face of clear evidence -- say, asserting that earth has always existed, yet admitting that the hoped-for evidence is still "imaginary" (which Russell admits here) -- one should indeed suspect an emotional game in play. Ego, when threatened, always trumps reason -- even in mathematicians. (In my experience, especially in mathematicians. Never forget that Theodore Kaczynski, the Unibomber, was in fact, a brilliant mathematician.) It's a very dangerous game we're playing when we ignore our pride's ability to block and distort our powers of reason. Again, Russell was keenly aware of the possibility in his opponents: it's a shame he never noticed it in himself until he was much older. So many years were undoubtedly lost.
I found this argument particularly amusing:
Did Jesus really say: "Don't be employed as a judge?" Is that what "Judge not lest ye be judged" means? As I see it, Jesus's point wasn't that we should never decide whether or not a man has stolen or murdered or done another prohibited action. If that was true, the entire Jewish Law, which requires such decisions, couldn't exist. (We would also need to ban livestock judges, and various forms for sports refereeing, if we really adopted Russell's one-meaning definition of "judgement.") Since Jesus was quite keen on Jewish law, that's not likely his meaning. As I read it, in context, Jesus's point was not we should never decide if a law was broken (nor decide which cucumber was the largest!), but rather that we should use a consistent set of principles, ones we ourselves could live by, warning us that we would be weighed by the same principles we applied to others. If we rail against stealing, we had better not steal. It's just "do unto others" applied to the verbal and emotional realm. Russell, here, even admits he knows he's making a straw man argument: "I have known in my time quite a number of judges who were very earnest Christians, and none of them felt that they were acting contrary to Christian principles." Thus he is admitting that his own understanding of this passage, and definition of "judge", is different than the understanding these Christians use. Yet he never bothers, apparently, to get their view on what the passage means. Instead, he bases his argument on his own odd reading, in which Jesus is telling people not to decide anything, rather than not stand in the ultimate judgement seat of God, condemning others vociferously for sins we ourselves will not admit having committed. Straw. Man. Argument.
True enough, Betrand. Christians sin, and have character flaws. (For the record, the whole point of Christianity is that people fall short of God's requirements. What Christianity offers is not primarily a way to become perfect and sinless -- though we should be continually improving -- but rather forgiveness, through Jesus, for our imperfections and transgressions.) But what's truly interesting here is the way, after having condemned Christians for not living up these particular principles -- with which he says he agrees! -- Russell then generously lets himself off the hook for violating them, saying:
Really? Why? On those specific ideals, since you say you agree with them just as much as Christians do, you are equally hypocritical. Many atheists would agree with Christians that theft is wrong. So is an atheist any less responsible for violating his own stated ideals than a Christian if he steals? Apparently! It sounds like Russell is implying that we should have lower ethical expectations of atheists. Not quite the point he wanted to make, I suspect.
Russell makes some other mistakes here -- not knowing otherwise, we must assume they are innocent. For example:
You can easily make a case that many in the early church thought Christ was returning soon. True enough! But Russell is not making that case -- again, all Russell needed to do was look up the verses in question realize he was wrong about what Jesus meant here:
Jesus is saying nothing about his second coming here: instead, he is appealing to common sense. But it's small-yet-telling blunders like this which make you realize how very little effort Russell put into researching the belief he thought he was disproving.
Apparently, the Romans were sweet people who never crucified nor tortured anyone until Jesus introduced the doctrine of Hell. Not to mention the Chinese, Mayans and Tibetans. Clearly, Russell didn't deduce this belief from a study of history. And today, among the "really ethical" we would have to include atheists like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao -- none of whom believed in hell, yet all of whom were renouned for their use of torture. (Perhaps all that wouldn't have happened if those men had feared a judgement.) Since Hell doesn't exist -- we know for a fact -- Jesus is just being cruel by warning people to avoid it. Does hell, in fact, exist? Not worth Russell's time: just start by assuming the opposite. And he repeats the same fallacy for each other critique in this section: Russell is an atheist; Russell's assumptions are true. Therefore, Jesus's differening assumptions are false and harmful, therefore, Jesus was a bad man. Therefore, Russell is an atheist. Whether hell exists or not, Russell is certainly resorting to circular reasoning. As usual. Russell might just saved his audience a bit of time by summing up much of his thesis as: "Jesus was not God, or even good, because he wasn't an atheist", which is how it frequently plays out. But we would have too easily seen the absurdity, I suppose.
Given the smugness of atheists I admired, like Sagan and others, I had anticipated some really impressive arguments. I expected at least some kind of evidence or at least a coherant argument or two. Instead, I found myself in a pile of straw-man and ad homen arguments, circular reasoning, poor research, bizarre definitions and misreadings, and historical, scientific, and factual errors. It was this experience that got me wondering what the other side had to say: Were their any logical arguments in favor of Christianity? And I was introduced to Lewis, McDowell, and many others. Not all of their arguments were right, in my opinion, nor conclusive, though I found many to have merit. In the end, and on the whole, I found more evidence, and -- this was no small point -- better reasoning and arguments being used in favor of Christianity than in favor of atheism. World Party , Lets do it in PEI. Prince Edward Island is the smallest province in Canada with a population of 138,900 Could PEI host the world ?( If Stomping Tom entertains they will come !! ?) Would we all fit in little PEI? I mean every one in the world ? The world population is aprox 6,522,245,821 . PEI's land mass is 60886425600 square feet. Lets do the math Hey , there is lots of room for you in lovely PEI ! That is loads of room ,Lets go ! You have to be there!! http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html world population 6,522,245,821 http://www.gov.pe.ca/search/index.php3?keyword=square+miles¤ttab=0&lang=E&number=search PEI is 2,184 square miles http://education.yahoo.com/reference/weights_and_measures/index?p=area http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=60886425600%2F6522245821&btnG=Search 60 886 425 600 / 6 522 245 821 = 9.33519332 http://www.elimbiblechapel.com/ Posted by: Stomp'n on June 15, 2006 05:58 PM Add your two cents...
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""It's also interesting to note that Betrand says he agrees strongly with many of the Christian principles he mentions in this section. His main change is that, though they are excellent principles, Christians seldom live up to them.
True enough, Betrand. Christians sin, and have character flaws.
(For the record, the whole point of Christianity is that people fall short of God's requirements. What Christianity offers is not primarily a way to become perfect and sinless -- though we should be continually improving -- but rather forgiveness, through Jesus, for our imperfections and transgressions.)""
As I was reading this I was reminded of a passage in Chesterton's "Orthodoxy" in which he mentions something similar. When he brings up the atheistic arguement that there is pain, suffering, and evil (read: sin) in the world, that somehow that disproves the Church since it disproves a Utopianism that some atheists seem to peg on Christianity. Chesterton points out that not only does the Church admit the sinfulness of the world, it also predicted it going all the way back to Jesus himself.
He doesn't say all of this verbatim, but the essential point of the passage is, I believe, the same.
Posted by: Troy on June 11, 2006 09:07 PM