|
Today's news carries stories of terrorist plots, further inconvenience to travellers, cell phones and explosives, dead children, media photo-fakery, and the purported ascendency of the hard left. So naturally, I'm going to write about environmentalism...
The allegation -- bolstered by faked quotes, no less -- was that Christians believed and were taught they could trash the environment because Jesus was coming back soon. My take was that the main point was just as authentic as naugahide. In response to my response, "Tom" wrote:
Again, I'd point out Tom's theology is wrong: I don't know of a single Christian who thinks you the way to bring Jesus back is to pollute. He seems to have swallowed Scherer's fabrication hook, line, and sinker -- even the example he gives doesn't fit his allegation. (She's being lazy and doesn't like being controlled -- not polluting to make Jesus return.) But the problem, as I see it, is not that Tom cares while everyone else doesn't: the problem is that conservatives and liberals are working from a different set of facts and values. For example...
1. We differ on pollution trendsWhere Tom thinks the US is becoming more and more polluted, I think it is becoming cleaner and cleaner. Frankly, I think I have the facts on my side here. For example, here is a chart showing days of hazardous ozone levels in the LA area. Note that in the late 70s there are frequently 200+ bad days per year. Watch the number head down -- even under the Bush administration. As Gregg Easterbrook summarizes:
Easterbrook notes that a whole host of indicators of environmental health are improving in the US -- drastically (and cites the EPA data that proves it) -- and takes Time and other mainstream periodicals to task for deceptively giving the exact opposite impression. My assertion isn't radical or hard to verify: In the 1950s thousands died in England of air pollution. LA used to be covered in a thick blanket of choking smog. Currently none of these things happen anymore. The only questionable area involves a slight rise in "greenhouse" gases. The real question is why -- despite both hard and anecdotal evidence to the contrary -- does the most the left believe air and water pollution levels are skyrocketing? Again, I think media spin accounts for this. A paper will announce that Bush is "raising" Mercury levels -- when, in fact, Bush bringing them down to lower levels than under the Clinton presidency. So there's a simple reason we're not worried about the huge increase in pollution in America, especially under George Bush: the data shows it's not true.
2. We disagree on causesTom asks: "I want to know your view on why republicans/Christians are destroying the environment. Do they just not care?" To illustrate his case, he gives the example of a woman who uses her theology as an excuse for litering: Since she believes God will take care of the world, she doesn't have to. Such people do indeed exist. But he doesn't look at the broader view. First, just as that woman believed it was God's job to clean up her waste, so also there are people who believe they can litter because they have adopted the socialistic view that it's the government's job to take care of their messes. The link gives an example of people who live in public housing who won't clean up their trash because it's the government's job to do so. That's no different than the exuse it's God's job to clean up your trash. I've been to Boulder, Colorado, and noticed that they have plenty of SUVs. Same goes for New York, New Jersey, and Los Angeles -- which are extremely "blue" areas. Arianna Huffington flies around the country in a Gulf Stream -- which emits far more pollution than any land vehicle -- lecturing people on the evils of driving SUVs. I can understand why a farmer or construction worker drives a big truck, I can't understand Huffington. Second, some of the worst polluters in the world are not conservative nor Christian-type governments, but, in fact, leftist, atheistic ones. The USSR was an environmental disaster, unparalleled in the twentieth century. China is also a socialist nation, but is leading the world in new pollution. In cases like these, secular humanist ideology -- the good of the people is tantmount -- is or was used to justify the mess. So, whereas Tom seems to think Republicans and conservatives are destroying the world -- and perhaps if we were removed it would be all clean and sparkly -- I view pollution as a result of human activity, in general.
3. We disagree about solutionsInasfar as I think everyone would prefer cleaner air to more polluted air, conservatives aren't convinced of drastic panic-driven solutions like Kyoto. Kyoto is a very nice step towards world government, but it won't do much to stop greenhouse emissions. Europe wasn't even going to sign Kyoto until Bush openly admitted he wouldn't either. Seizing the opportunity to make him look awful, they change their minds and ratified it. Of course, like everyone else, they're way off target -- and even the Japanese city of Kyoto isn't complying with Kyoto! So it looks to me as though Bush was simply honest where Europe's leaders were hypocritical. Further, Kyoto doesn't do anything about developing nations which are expected to be the main source of pollution and greenhouse gases. So, as far as I can see, it's simply a feel-good measure, with no real positive effect. (Though it probably would have the effect of harming our economy.) Likewise, I constantly hear, from the left, cries to fund solar power and wind turbines. Yet I have a friend who was a government solar researcher for years -- and he confirmed it for me: solar can't deliver enough power, and is environmentally toxic. I've also looked into wind, and determined it doesn't deliver either. So there's this nice set of myths floating around about the usefulness of these sources, and everyone repeats they believes them because they're either ignorant or they're afraid of being criticized. (In contrast, I notice nuclear power -- especially if done with breeder reactors -- really is much cleaner than coal. In fact, that's the reason Europe has clearer skies than the US: because countries like Germany and France get a huge percentage of their power from nuclear. But the left doesn't support that, even though it works quite well in Europe.) So, from this vantage point, sad to say, it looks like the "left" likes to put on a show of "caring" publicly -- but there's a huge difference between saying the "right" words (even if they're factually wrong) and actually doing things which are likely to have a significant positive effect.
4. We disagree about valuesThough, like everyone, we prefer cleaner air and water, frankly, conservatives don't think pollution is the worst problem facing the world today. How many people have been directly killed by their governments? About 100 million. How many people have been killed by terrorism? Thousands. How many people have been killed by malaria, which flourishes because we unnecessarily banned DDT? Millions. And how many have been killed by global warming? Okay, I'll make it easier: How many have been killed by pollution in the US, after 1980? Very, very few in comparison. Instead, I think improving medicine, drinking water availability, DDT spraying, and getting unstable nations to settle down and go to work (it's called "capitalism", and it's a dirty word on the left) will save far more lives than Kyoto ever could. To answer Tom's charge directly:
In terms of moral certitude about their own superority, I haven't found the left to be lacking in that, sadly. (As the above quote seems to illustrate.) But Tom's main point is basicly that if you don't care about the environment -- or at least don't say you care (which is all most liberals I know do) -- you certainly can't be a moral person. The simple fact is that secularists and Christians have different values. Christians aren't uninvolved -- they just focus on other activities than environmentalism. Christians donate tremendous money to feed starving people, provide clean water, and attempt to stop slavery (which is still going on, by the way). They also have an ethic of trying to love even the people who hate them. We also tend to do a lot to oppose socialistic solutions (like welfare) because we believe it hurts people more than it helps them. You might argue we're wrong on the facts (good luck) but you can't say we're not at least trying. And I'd gently point out that pretty much every study out there finds that religious people (including Christian) give far more to money and time charitable causes than non-religious people. (But none of that counts because it isn't 'environmentalism'.) Finally, in terms of benefitting others, I'd point out that most of us are busy trying to spread JudeoChristian values. We do this because we honestly believe such things give people better lives. (And, once again, study after study seems to confirm this: religious people are much happier, healthier, etc. than secularists.) We don't do this because we hate people, but simply because we want to offer them what we've benefitted from.
ConclusionSo, to wrap this up, it's not that Christians simply "don't care" -- they just have different values than you do and thus express that caring in different ways. In my experience, Christians generally do think the environment is important, but they're not convinced (a) there's a huge crisis, (b) that if there was, your solutions would work anyway (what solutions??? global warming -- what is your solution, for example?), and (c) that it ranks higher than saving the lives of people in Darfur or Ethopia. If you have an issue, it's not that you're inherantly good and caring, and everyone who sees things differently is simply uncaring and evil -- instead, you and I work from a different set of facts and values. So you have to explore the differences in those facts and values to get anywhere. Is the air in the US getting cleaner or worse? Is pollution the worst killer of humans? Is human life more valuable than, say, a certain variety of squirrel? Do proposed leftist solutions actually solve anything? Why are we even here in the first place? What is the purpose of planet earth, anyway? Should we save people's lives or let them die? Which would be better?
Price of Wind-Generated Electricity Plummeting Posted by: Ryan on August 12, 2006 03:31 AM I've got nothing against wind energy per se. And it's good that prices are dropping a bit. I'm not reacting to the idea that windmills might help a little bit here and here, but rather to the belief that they're a large-scale solution, or a significant part of one, which allows us to dump coal and fossil fuels. They're simply not. They're ugly (IMO), they kill a heck of a lot of birds, they only work part time, they not very efficient, they're incredibly noisy (I checked out a wind farm in Illinois and verified this firsthand -- I wouldn't want to live within a quarter mile of one) and they have a half-life of only a few years: they tend to get stuck.
And here's my own main point:
I've often heard it would take the equivalent a one-mile-wide windfarm, running all the way from San Francisco to Los Angeles (about 400 square miles), to replace one conventional power plant. And there are thousands of power plants in the united states. Multiply that efficiency by ten (as if!) and you're still almost nowhere. Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on August 12, 2006 11:28 AM If the NCPA wanted to calculate the total amount of land used for coal burning power plants they should factor in the use of land and environmental impact (not to mention loss of life) associated with coal mining. But the land 'used' by wind farms is not used by them exclusively while nuclear and conventional power plants do use their land, and the land of the mines which supply them, to the exclusion of other operations. Some wind farms are built at sea or on actual farms. So I don't see the dispersed nature of wind power generation as being quite as devastating as the site you linked to made it out to be. While it makes an impact on the land, it also leaves that land free for other kinds of development. The cost per megawatt for wind, which I think we agree is the key number, is dropping while fuel based energy creation is likely to continue to increase in cost, at least along with inflation. And personally, I see wind farms as prettier than the Chicago skyline or the Golden Gate Bridge. But maybe that's just me. The part-time nature of wind is a problem. With the development of better energy storage, possibly including flywheels using superconducting materials, that might become less of an issue. I don't know much about the state of the art regarding energy storage but I don't see any reason it would be impossible to improve it, to the point that power sources like wind could eventually produce a near steady output of electricity. Better energy storage would help all forms of power generation since off-peak power could be made available during peak time, effectively increasing the capacity and flexibility of an x-Megawatt generator, whether it was powered by wind, coal or nuclear power. I realize that some alternative energy sources are only cost effective because subsidies make them so. With wind I'm happy being an early adopter and paying extra for it, so that there's a market for it and incentive for companies to invest and improve the technology. Some places have allowed individuals to pay more to get 'green power' from wind. I'd be perfectly willing to be an early adopter for the sake of those who came after me. It's still a young, improving technology. And the ability to draw power from a variety of sources will be a benefit to the buyers in the market in terms of partial protection from fuel price volatility. just my 2c. Posted by: Ryan on August 14, 2006 05:46 PM Add your two cents...
The comment rules will apply. Please post only once. |
Likewise, I constantly hear, from the left, cries to fund solar power and wind turbines.
I agree, I don't think that religion makes people in any way less environmentalist.
Regarding solutions;
Light pipes and solar water heating are both quite environmentally friendly, and the technology is as old as dirt. It doesn't require research funding so much as adoption. Arizona has a great law saying that a home owner's association can't have any bylaws outlawing such things, as long as minimal appearance requirements are met. These techniques could be employed in public buidings as they have been in private ones, though I think government budgets are more concerned with short term solutions than long term ones. They also frequently lease, since that spreads out the cost of an item over time, even though it's more expensive overall. Most environmentally friendly investments require an up front investment and then a break-even in 7-11 years or so.
It's a pity they don't turn the heading coils from freezers to the outside of a building so that freezers would work like heat pumps instead of just pumping heat into an air conditioned room.
I've also looked into wind, and determined it doesn't deliver either.
When? Wind has gotten more economical by the year. The big problems remaining, as I understand them, are efficient storage (since wind is erratic) and transmission (Since the wind doesn't nessicarly blow where you need power.) Though if those are problems it's a pity they can't use wind power for pumping at water towers, since that's already an energy storage device, a device needing power, and a tall existing structure.
Granted, I'm a fan of nuclear power as you are; fission or, eventually, fusion. And fission has the opposite profile of most other technologies, with the largest expenses put off rather than required up front. Which makes it more politically favorable.
As a side note on nuclear power; I've never seen this discussed, but we get all our helium from oil wells since it's a noble gas and the atmosphere doesn't hold it. Shouldn't peak oil also equate to peak helium? Why isn't there more of an effort to recover helium from nuclear waste sites? (or is there?)
Posted by: Ryan on August 11, 2006 09:38 PM