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Quixtar/Amway Google-Bombing Strategy

While researching the last entry, I noticed that Quixtar/Amway/Alticor and the various "support" organizations have started a Google-bombing strategy which reminds me of Scientology's approach.

Consider this page as a typical example. The names "Fred and Linda Harteis" were commonly associated with anti-Amway lawsuits like this one. So the Google-gaming page puts up some completely unrelated information (two paragraphs about George Washington crossing the Delaware) and then offers multiple links which tell Google that "Fred Harteis" should be strongly associated with Quixtar's own pages.

Then they automatically generate page after page after page after page after page of this kind of spam, hoping to distract Google (and thus people looking for crucial information) from less flattering links, like these:

Hey, just doing my part.

Quixtar/Amway/Alticor wants prospects to think of it as a normal, legitimate business. But every day, it seems to act more and more like Scientology.

Comments

If negative blogs came up about Walmart, wouldn't they do what they could to protect their name?

Posted by: websam on January 15, 2007 11:32 AM

Speaking of Google-bombing. . . I just realized how many threads you have going about Quixtar. How many blogs are you running on other sites?

I've been pretty active in this thread lately, but I'm facinated by the level of negativity you are pushing in this many posts.

Here's what I think. I think you're taking this personally. I don't know why, but you are. Quixtar is a valid business model, with a lot of successful people participating in it. Perhaps you are hurt because someone told you that you could do this, and you would have had to change something. Perhaps you tried, failed, and gave up. Or maybe you just like passing around hostility. I don't know, but it's kinda sad. . .

Lets take away all of the big pins and all of the theories about big money. Let's just look at a platinumship taking advantage of the profitability structure that's available in WorldWide's business plan. A total first-year performance bonus and retail markup of $46,140. A Q12 award of $10,000. First-year platinums also qualify for $10,000 of additional bonuses, and a expense-paid trip valued at approximately $5,500.

Those numbers are sideline income on less than 8 hours per week. That information came out of a current Business Overview pamphlet. By FTC rulings and regulations, we are required to post the MINIMUM whenever referring to a variable amount.

If that was the BEST you could ever do, that wouldn't be a bad deal. Maybe it wouldn't bring you home from work, maybe it would. I could certainly live comfortably on that kind of income. My goals are bigger, but that's me.

Kicked: Emphasis should be given on retailing than recuiting. The new recruits only serve as cannon fodder for the motivation business run by "Corrupt Diamonds".If these actions are taken the critics will automatically go away or atleast will lose some ammunition.

Done. Seriously, the big emphasis in WWDB (can't speak for BWW) is "Making the first circle work". First circle is personal use and retail. There are dozens of informational CDs out on current tool lists about how to make your personal business profitable.

There are a lot of people that don't do that. Coincidentally, the average income for an active IBO was $115/mo. I might be crazy, but I'm guessing that there is some kind of correlation. . .

Just my $0.02.

Tim (Random IBO)

Posted by: Random IBO on June 4, 2007 11:45 PM

Speaking of Google-bombing. . . I just realized how many threads you have going about Quixtar.

In the four-plus years this blog has existed, I've written about 20 Quixtar-related articles, some (like this one) only a few paragraphs long. In contrast with whole blogs containing article after article on the topic, pro-, con-, or otherwise -- or my hundreds of posts on politics or religion -- that's really not a lot.

Put another way, the most recent posting (about poetry, actually) is article #1526. Of which 21 are about Quixtar. Meaning Quixtar posts are a whopping 1.3% of the blog's content.

That's quite a tiny fraction of content for you to be obsessing about. Yet I keep having to come here, over and over, to answer odd accusations like this one. I don't mind the accusations, mind you: it's just that they're so repetitive, and uniformly far out.

(In fact, that's how MOST of those articles came into existence: I'd write my opinion, be done with it, and some IBO, obsessed, apparently, would come here making accusations which I'd then answer. If it weren't for IBOs like yourself, there'd only be about two posts here on that subject.)

How many blogs are you running on other sites?

Why, I run almost every single anti-Quixtar blog out there! Didn't you know that? I'm paid full time by Proctor and Gamble (they're a Satanic conspircy!) to write silly responses like this one.

Heh, all joking aside here's your answer: Zero.


I've been pretty active in this [link] thread lately, but I'm facinated by the level of negativity you are pushing in this many posts.

Let's see: my last post there was March 13th, or about 3 months ago. In that time you've posted ... about six or more times.

Perhaps you mean "Joecool18"? He's just another commenter, like yourself. I've never met him, never e-mailed him, and don't know his real name any more than yours.

Perhaps he could use a bit of a life also, but, as long as he doesn't insult people (or repeat himself too much, or otherwise violate the comment rules) you two are more than free to hash it out here.

Sorry if having such a forum disturbs you.

Here's what I think. I think you're taking this personally.

Err, um, perhaps the one obsessed with "what I think" is the one who is taking it personally. Like I said: if it weren't for questions (and accusations) like yours, I would have just written another product review.

Here's what I think: you should consider whether the accusation you're levelling (against some who writes less than 2% of his content on Quixtar) might more apply to you than others. Ever hear of "projection"?

Perhaps you are hurt because someone told you that you could do this...

Sigh: Do you guys ever have any new accusations? Rather than actually address the various points made in the articles ($115 a month isn't much, etc.) it's always: "Oh, well, you must have some nefarious feeling of insecurity which is causing you to write this."

As if making sub-minimum wages wasn't enough reason to believe something was an unattractive "opportunity."

Why yes, it really bothers me when people make so much money. I'm really insecure about the idea that somewhere an IBO might be pulling in a whopping $115 a month. I'm just jealous beyond belief: you saw right through my disguise! (Those other 98.7% of non-Quixtar posts which were just all made up to PRETEND I had other interests in life...)

You guys are too funny!

Also, on a less funny note: please see the comment rules. I have limited tolerance for spam, and for arguments which have been posted and answered previously.


A total first-year performance bonus and retail markup of $46,140. A Q12 award of $10,000. First-year platinums also qualify for $10,000 of additional bonuses, and a expense-paid trip valued at approximately $5,500...

Given an average return of $115, that just means there's a huge number of active IBOs who are losing money for a few to (allegedly) make those kind of returns.


Those numbers are sideline income on less than 8 hours per week.

Hehe, yes: I remember that line. My friend was insisting she spent only 8-10 hours a week on Quixtar -- while it was clear to me that her conversations with me, and meetings she attended, and phone communications she admitted having with just one friend of mine totalled far more. And she said she was talking to other people too.

Dear friend, we weren't all born yesterday.


By FTC rulings and regulations, we are required to post the MINIMUM whenever referring to a variable amount.

"We"? So you are insisting others must have bad motivations, while admitting that you are admitting you are being paid to advocate for Quixtar?


If that was the BEST you could ever do, that wouldn't be a bad deal...

If you never took probability into account, perhaps.


My goals are bigger, but that's me.

Please, guys, let's not all go bragging about the size of our respective goals, and how you have a much bigger goal than his. This is a family forum.


Just my $0.02...

Oh, don't be modest: Given the sheer volume, I'd say it was probably more like your $24.95.

Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on June 5, 2007 08:39 AM

Random IBO, if you need more quixtar material, I do have a blog called:

Quixtar: The Dream or the Scheme

There's a ton of debate from both pro and con there.

Posted by: Joecool18 on June 5, 2007 03:23 PM

Why, I run almost every single anti-Quixtar blog out there! Didn't you know that? I'm paid full time by Proctor and Gamble (they're a Satanic conspircy!) to write silly responses like this one.

I KNEW it. . . but I thought it was the ALIENS!!! I'm glad to see some humor coming from your responses. I'm not trying to start a flamewar here, though I'm not above jumping into one already running :)

Also, on a less funny note: please see the comment rules. I have limited tolerance for spam, and for arguments which have been posted and answered previously.

I haven't even gotten around to reading all of the content in the other thread I've been participating in, let alone the other ones you've got going. You surely can't expect someone new to your forums to be familliar with all of your content, and all of your users' content. . .

My friend was insisting she spent only 8-10 hours a week on Quixtar -- while it was clear to me that her conversations with me, and meetings she attended, and phone communications she admitted having with just one friend of mine totalled far more. And she said she was talking to other people too.

Your friend went overboard. While that's generally okay, the problem with it is that it causes people to burn out, then quit. That helps contribute to the $115/mo average that you're so fond of. Just a guess, but I would assume she's no longer active?

"We"? So you are insisting others must have bad motivations, while admitting that you are admitting you are being paid to advocate for Quixtar?

I'm not being paid to advocate for Quixtar. On the other hand, I am a member (now that I have re-registered) of World Wide Dreambuilders, and so I might throw a "we" out when referring to the actions of that organization. Until I reach the Diamond level, I'm not a contributing member of the organization, so I don't affect the paperwork, materials, or training, but as a WWDB IBO, I'm still subject to the regulations of that organization. I'm not sure that makes sense, but it's the best I can do at 0115.

Please, guys, let's not all go bragging about the size of our respective goals, and how you have a much bigger goal than his. This is a family forum.

Sometimes it's hard to resist. . .

Oh, don't be modest: Given the sheer volume, I'd say it was probably more like your $24.95.

No extra charge :)

Joe - I've bookmarked your site. One day when I have some downtime (or insomnia, which happens fairly often these days), I'll check it out.

Tim (Random IBO)

Posted by: Random IBO on June 9, 2007 03:12 AM

The forum software is acting strange tonight, so if this is a duplicate, please delete it. My first post did not appear to take. . .

Why, I run almost every single anti-Quixtar blog out there! Didn't you know that? I'm paid full time by Proctor and Gamble (they're a Satanic conspircy!) to write silly responses like this one.

I KNEW it. . . but I thought it was the ALIENS!!! I'm glad to see some humor coming from your responses. I'm not trying to start a flamewar here, though I'm not above jumping into one already running :)

Also, on a less funny note: please see the comment rules. I have limited tolerance for spam, and for arguments which have been posted and answered previously.

I haven't even gotten around to reading all of the content in the other thread I've been participating in, let alone the other ones you've got going. You surely can't expect someone new to your forums to be familliar with all of your content, and all of your users' content. . .

My friend was insisting she spent only 8-10 hours a week on Quixtar -- while it was clear to me that her conversations with me, and meetings she attended, and phone communications she admitted having with just one friend of mine totalled far more. And she said she was talking to other people too.

Your friend went overboard. While that's generally okay, the problem with it is that it causes people to burn out, then quit. That helps contribute to the $115/mo average that you're so fond of. Just a guess, but I would assume she's no longer active?

"We"? So you are insisting others must have bad motivations, while admitting that you are admitting you are being paid to advocate for Quixtar?

I'm not being paid to advocate for Quixtar. On the other hand, I am a member (now that I have re-registered) of World Wide Dreambuilders, and so I might throw a "we" out when referring to the actions of that organization. Until I reach the Diamond level, I'm not a contributing member of the organization, so I don't affect the paperwork, materials, or training, but as a WWDB IBO, I'm still subject to the regulations of that organization. I'm not sure that makes sense, but it's the best I can do at 0115.

Please, guys, let's not all go bragging about the size of our respective goals, and how you have a much bigger goal than his. This is a family forum.

Sometimes it's hard to resist. . .

Oh, don't be modest: Given the sheer volume, I'd say it was probably more like your $24.95.

No extra charge :)

Joe - I've bookmarked your site. One day when I have some downtime (or insomnia, which happens fairly often these days), I'll check it out.

Tim (Random IBO)

Posted by: Random IBO on June 9, 2007 03:24 AM

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