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Well, I thought we'd try something new, just for the fun of it. Since most discussions here veer off quickly in random directions, I'm just going to open up a thread and invite you to post on any topic you'd like.


Current events.

Things you'd like me to comment about.

Big theological or philosophical questions or theories of yours.

Personal observations, requests or rants.

Best vacation you can remember taking.


Or, if nobody posts, you could stare, in Zen-like fashion, at the empty comments area and contemplate the, uh, lack-of-comment-ness therein. ;-)

G'day!

Comments

I apologize: this will be a longish response, given the number of excellent points raised.


SY: Thanks so much for the kind words! Words cannot adequately describe how kind and encouraging your simple thank-you is. I'm glad you're here, and quite pleased to "meet" you.

I so wish I could have you all over for dinner and a party.


Ryan: Excellent question! So good, in fact, it will have its own entry shortly.


Perry! So good to hear from you again! I try to stay out of the tulips altogether, actually. ;-)

One of the thing which really helped me in my teen years (and early twenties) was to find a cool and fun group of other believers. There were some very rewarding things which came out of that. Pray and ask God to help you find one.

Drama sounds like it could be fun too, but my experience is that many people are drawn to drama (the discipline) who are also drawn to drama (as an approach to life). I don't know if that's different in Christian drama groups, though, so don't let me put you off it.

Yes, indeed, CS Lewis rocks. ("Screwtape" is quick, insightful, and enjoyable. I also enjoyed Hugh Ross, and many people say good things about McDowell.) I think, given your request, I'll write something in the future about my own teenage years and "conversion".

And if you (or your friend) have any other questions, you're more than welcomed to send me e-mail privately at "blog" at this domain name. Or post an anonymous comment here: even off topic. I may not know, but if there's anything I can say which could be helpful, I'll do my best.

(And perhaps visitors here who pray might want to offer a prayer or two for Perry's friend.)

I'm very glad to have you here.


To Steven Anderson: Welcome, friend!

Christians have taken a lot of hits lately.

They certainly have! But it's more society which I'm worried about. Our job has classically been to do things which we think will not be rewarded in this lifetime. To hear you say such things ("I now find that I need to stand tall and make contributions when I can") is precisely what brought me to do this in the first place. Thank you, friend!

And since I don't believe in a radical political takeover by force, I view my role as helping explain what policies work, what policies help people, why our religious outlook matters deeply -- both internally and to society -- and why the Judeo-Christian worldview and ethics are worth understanding and keeping.

So speech, and telling the truth as best as I can see it, is pretty much my only "weapon".


My mother is a left of center Michael Moore believer. She spoke recently very derisively of neo-cons. I reminded her that the values she raised me to believe in and follow are now considered those of a neo-con. She had never thought of it that way. Tied up in political rhetoric, she had forgotten those values her parents and she and my father instilled in me.

Great tact!

So many, many of my friends are in the same boat. We have parents who are drifting further and further left (as they did though the 60s and 70s), into increasingly radical doctrines, and we seem unable to get through to them.

There's something in the water, I suspect. ;-)

Dennis Prager is fond of pointing out that many "liberals" have one set of values that apply to their personal lives (good values, actually) and a completely different set they advocate politically. He chides them: "You should preach what you practice!"

But we've been cowed into buying into relativism: Sure, that's true for me, but who am I to say what works for other people? (And sometimes, that's a entirely fair statement! But not to the extent we have taken it.)

As you say, blind fear of the dreaded "right wing" is driving many of them into stranger and stranger territory. (Like we've never seen that tactic used before!) Never mind that this horrifying "right wing" which is mostly composed of people like their own rather mundane and loving children -- advocating, as you point out, the values they once taught us were sensible and good.

So, as you might gather from the length of my response, I entirely sympathize with your situation.

It isn't our job to "win". It's our job to stand up and make large chunks of the culture hate us by being as honest and loving as we can, through speech and service. I hate to put it that way -- and undoubtedly many will respond positively to that, too. But we serve and follow a man who warned that if we try to do good and be honest, and if we stuck to him, we will be vociferously opposed by many, including many of those closest to us.

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household.

To an extent, it's always been true that there were tensions within families, but generally clan-groups fought together against external threats. Today, the rifts we see are primarily intra-family, and, as Jesus said, are mostly ideological -- at their core, they are debates about nothing other than Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.

Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on September 29, 2007 12:57 PM

By chance I heard from a friend Jesse Jackson was appearing on Fox news yesterday, the O'reilly factor, so I tuned in. I am still trying to figure out how Mr. Jackson became, and is referred to as a reverend.

Interesting question, Steve. If I recall correctly, there was something unusual about the "Reverend" Jackson's degree, but it may also be that I'm mixing him up with someone else.

Or maybe not:

In 1965, he left the Chicago Theological Seminary (CTS) to devote his energy to the Civil Rights Movement under Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. At the time, he was only a few credits shy of completing his master's degree.

This year, a faculty committee at CTS reviewed Jackson's work and achievements over the past 35 years. They decided that he had satisfied the degree requirements of the Master of Divinity Program and recommended to CTS President Dr. Susan B. Thistlethwaite that he be granted the Master of Divinity degree.

So there you have it: apparently, by pretending to be a "Reverend" you can actually become one. What do you know, "The Secret" really does work! By thinking and acting as if he already were a Reverend, Jackson attracted a divinity degree to himself! ;-)

(Wow, and it only took about 35 years!)

But either way: I don't think it's unusual for anyone to become a "Reverend": all you have to do is get a degree from an accredited institution. These days, it doesn't seem to mean you have to subscribe to any particular theological view, much less behavioral mode.

For example, Episcopalian Bishop John Spong openly admits to not believing in the Judeo-Christian (i.e. "theistic") God -- and encourages others to believe likewise. I'm also reminded of the fictional "Chris in the Morning" who was certified as a minister in some obscure sect by answering an ad in the back of Rolling Stone.

Perhaps at some point being an orthodox Christian would actual disqualify one at certain divinity schools. We're already seeing, in colleges of social work and ed schools, "disposition" (e.g. political outlook) has been used as a disqualifying criterion. If "Neuhaus's Law" proves true, it may be that something like that could happen in seminaries as well.


Is this the America you want?

I'd be interested in what Reverend Jackson had to say in response. I'm sure he was caught in a rather tough situation.

Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on September 30, 2007 08:37 PM

link

sorry, forgot to add closing tags

Posted by: Ryan W. on October 3, 2007 05:22 PM

grr. there.

link

Posted by: Ryan W. on October 3, 2007 05:22 PM

link

hmm... must have been my mistake

Posted by: Ryan W. on October 3, 2007 05:23 PM

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