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Today I stumbled upon an interesting character, Professor Pierre P. Grasse, who was an eminent zoologist who served as the "Chair of Evolution" at the prestigious Sorbonne in Paris until a few decades ago. Seems Dr. Grasse wasn't your typical Darwinist:
More from GrasseI thought I'd double-check the reference, and make sure that Professor Grasse did indeed seem to hold such views. And I find an entire page of disquieting Grasse quotes, many likely to send Richard Dawkins into instant apoplectic spasms of indignant outrage.
No doubt Dawkins and other materials would rather see have such quotes come from their "ignorant" opponents, not from the "Chair of Evolution" at the Sorbonne. ;-) But Grasse wasn't some young-earth creationist. He apparently believed it was a "fact and not a hypothesis" that evolution -- meaning one species arising from another -- had happened in the past. But he also believed it was no longer happening, that Darwin was deeply wrong about the mechanism (see quotes above), and, as of yet, we had no satisfying materialist explanation for how it had happened.
Speaking of Quoting out of Context...While checking this character out, I also chanced across this page, at
Is deception through insufficient information wrong? If so, the author above has skewered himself with his own sword. Yes, Grasse believed in evolution of some sort. But no, he apparently didn't believe it was ongoing, and apparently didn't believe we'd found the nice closed materialistic answer Dawkins and friends insist the word "evolution" must imply. Grasse agreed evolution (meaning the past production of species) had happened, but he certainly was no subscriber to "evolution", by which most today mean the allegedly cut and dried, ongoing, wholly materialistic, and Darwinian mechanism taught in the schools. So I don't see why it's wrong to quote this scientist as having objected to the "myth of evolution, considered as a simple, understood, and explained phenomenon which keeps rapidly unfolding before us." Particularly regarding the last half of that sentence, which Babinski strangely seems to have omitted. I also found it interesting that Babinski did not attempt to discredit Grasse, but only misled his audience into thinking it's inherently intellectually dishonest to quote him contra neo-Darwinian evolution, as it's sold to the public today. This is not the behavior of a dispassionate seeker-after-truth. Yet, as Grasse (and others, since then) have pointed out, bacteria produce new strains, but we're not seeing new species. How many individual bacteria are produced each week? Probably many times the total number of land animals which have ever lived. So why are we seeing new species (not strains, but species) produced each month? Posted by: Tim (Random Observations) on January 4, 2008 02:25 AM Yet, as Grasse (and others, since then) have pointed out, bacteria produce new strains, but we're not seeing new species. Despite having a biotech degree and having done some work for a (plant) taxonomist during college, I'm not really clear on the intricacies of bacterial taxonomy. In school, we typed bacteria based on characteristics like what they could metabolize, presence of a cell wall, aerobic facultative anerobes, etc. What, physically, is Grasse expecting to find here that he isn't? Taxonomy is a map, not the territory and changes in a population of E. Coli DNA can, demonstratively, be adaptive. Posted by: Ryan W. on January 4, 2008 07:14 PM Modern taxonomic approaches often employ technically more complex methodology and are concerned with profiling the structural composition of bacteria. This often involves "molecular biology" or "analytical chemistry" -based approaches. It is now recognized that many of the classical schemes for differentiation of bacteria provide little insight into their genetic relationships and in some instances are scientifically incorrect. New information has resulted in renaming of certain bacterial species and in some instances has required totally reorganizing relationships within and between many bacterial families.link Posted by: on January 4, 2008 08:38 PM -prev. post was mine Posted by: Ryan W. on January 4, 2008 08:39 PM Add your two cents...
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Something about Dr. Grasse's quote sounds familiar. I seem to remember reading somewhere else about biologists choosing bacteria for their evolutionary research because the behaviour bacteria exhibits through mutations and what not fit in with their pre-determined beliefs about the subject.
Posted by: on December 27, 2007 01:18 AM