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"Sleazy" "Bizarre and hysterical." "Startlingly one-sided" "An affront to viewers" "A hard-core, fundamentalist bit of right-wing propaganda" "[Ben Stein] seems to think [both you and I] are slobbering idiots." "A cynical attempt to sucker Christian conservatives..." Would you see a movie with those reviews? Normally, I wouldn't. But one of the more interesting movies I've seen in a while is getting precisely those ratings -- one star or so -- perhaps with that intention. (After all, we just saw a group of anti-war movies which bombed at the box office receive nothing but stunningly good reviews -- near 100% on Rotten Tomatoes -- so it's not a stretch to imagine that reviews today are more about ideological agreement than actual entertainment value.)
I have to agree. Only the last reviewer is talking about movie, and I'm talking about the reviews themselves. Last night, I watched Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. Having done so, I have to wonder if some of the reviewers actually did too. The Boston Globe, for example, writes: "'Expelled' purports to impartially investigate the slugfest between proponents of Darwinism and creationism" -- though the film itself makes it clear, repeatedly, that it is focused on the debate between Darwinism and Intelligent Design, which it goes to pains to distinguish from bible-based creationism. The reviewer may personally reject this distinction, but instead he writes as though he's never heard it, prominent though it was in the film.
Were these "scientists of faith"? For most, we never heard what their religious beliefs were. A few of those interviewed protested that they weren't even religious. Again, I have to wonder if the reviewer even watched the same film I just saw.
How wrong of Ben Stein to imply that "Imagine" says we'd be better off without religion. Quoting the lyrics? What a low blow; what a sneaky tactic. And how dare they show the only historical images we have of societies without any trace of religion. Unfair to show what Lennon's dream led to. (And Bill Maher ranting about the need to criminalize religion. How to win an argument: throw all those people who don't agree with you in jail.) Like many of the reviews I've read, the Globe falsely insists that Expelled "equates" Darwinism with Nazism (or leads inexorably to it). But again, the film goes to considerable pains to clarify otherwise.
Only during the sobering scenes. (And it's only "false sense of drama" if the viewer doesn't buy the premise in those scenes, such as the tragedy of the Nazi eugenic program.) To the contrary, the score included quite a lot of up-tempo pop music. (I've before never seen a film criticized for using tense background music; this has got to be a first.)
Yes, actually, I'd have to agree. The Globe is certainly welcomed to think the film sucked, but it's wrong to deceive readers about the content.
Nobody in the film said that Dawkins shouldn't be free to promote his ideas. Indeed, they (quite deliciously) gave him plenty of time and film in which to do so. The point is that many of those quoted didn't seem to think others should have the same freedoms.
I wonder: When he reviewed a Michael Moore film, did he avoid seeing it, but then provide readers with links to pages written by Haliburton, the NRA, General Motors (Roger Smith), and the Bush family as a way of assessing it's reliability? Wouldn't that be sort of biased and stupid? Yes it would, but suddenly, it's sensible.
First (as usual), this is simply false: There are several segments where sympathetic figures are interviewed in foreign locations, including a Pole who says they have more academic freedom, and an American scholar who is able to freely espouse controversial views in France. Second, the complaint itself is hilarious: Usually I hear that ID proponents can't hold a candle to such intellectual luminaries as Richard Dawkins and PZ Meyers. Now we hear that it's unfair to interview top neo-Darwinists and let them openly espouse their views and prejudices. Poor Dawkins, he's so easily intellectually exploited. All you have to do is let him talk. (And Americans always think of scientists with British ("foreign", to this reviewer) accents as especially dim-witted, you know. Not.)
Apparently, none of that was sleazy to the Times, though. So what was "sleazy" here? Did Ben Stein lie? Did he make it appear that people believed the opposite of what they really believed? Did he put false quotes in people's mouths?
Wow! Can't be "linking evolution theory to fascism". That would be wrong. No, wait, "sleazy." (Never mind that it's a historical fact.) And as far as omitting vital information, the Times doesn't mention that the Nazis not only believed in social Darwinism, they were also quite enthusiastic about "scientific" Darwinism as well. When Dawkins and others testify that scientific Darwinism shaped their social and religious outlook, does the film need to be buying into and repeating the Times' "blithe" mantra that "scientific" Darwinism can never have social impacts?
Oh, was it wrong to omit information, again? What of Sternberg's testimony that he was kicked out of his own office with almost no warning? That he was given reporting requirements which none of his peers received? That he was suddenly transferred to a hostile supervisor? That he was denied access to research materials and the museum? That his supervisors intentionally created a hostile work environment? That presents an entirely different picture than the Times' statement that his term merely expired. (In fact, the film says nothing about the specifics of Sternberg's employment, so it's hard to say they were misleading.) Only certain kinds of deception are bad, I guess. Notice, not one substantial complaint leveled. But it's "sleazy" anyway.
Hey, I just watched the thing, and it says no such thing. It depicts Darwinism as one of the factors (necessary, but not sufficient) involved in the Holocaust, and instead depicts atheism as a philosophy that posits the pointlessness of life. (Well, actually, an atheist they interviewed did that for them.) And I'm not quite sure what's wrong with linking Darwinism and eugenics when Darwin himself proposed the idea. Inconvenient truths galore here, apparently.
It's "off the deep end" to talk about the moral undertones present in the scientific community? Certain elite scientists should talk, and we should be quiet. (Kind of the premise of the movie, actually.) Yet the point wasn't that many scientists "want to usurp religion" -- undoubtedly, most don't. But when you hear Richard Dawkins, a leading voice, talk about the need to categorize religious parents as child abusers, can you really think that people who take him seriously will be strong advocates for freedom? Or that merely pointing to such trends is inherently "off the deep end"? Sadly, like so many college-educated people today, the reviewer appears to know nothing about the history and origins of eugenics. It is a "reach" to imply that Margaret Sanger was trying to eliminate the "unfit" elements of society? Just read her own words. (The film never alleges that Planned Parenthood is still doing this today -- though some do. The point is only that Darwinism was essential to the eugenics movement, which itself was a very popular part of the American Left.) "Who cares who started it?" Such a question makes all the difference in the world. If people are just machines, then it makes sense to forcibly remove the malfunctioning units. If people have intrinsic value, then such an idea is monstrous. "Fixing what's wrong" is impossible if you can't determine what's wrong, and where human beings fit in the grander scheme of things. If you can't look at Communism, or Nazism, and say: "This is an indicator of where we go wrong; let's learn why that happened" then you can't possibly hope to prevent similar atrocities in the future.
It would seem Ben Stein has indeed touched on something here, and it seems the media is making his case quite nicely for him: anyone who pokes at this particular sacred cow is going to have the media and scientific establishment come down on him or her like a ton of bricks, using the very tactics they insist they deplore. More fuel for the fire, or, how not to argue a counter point Brought to you by the fine folks at the National Center for Science Education http://www.expelledexposed.com/ Particularly fascinating is the page on Nazism, Eugenics and Darwin. Also, a nice tidbit: Science and religion are distinct domains of human thought and experience, and thus their methodologies are different. Which is, of course, why theology uses totally different methodologies than science. Totally different. Which is why it ends on logy... (Now to ask them – is sociology a science?) Aren't you glad these guys are lobbying for the way we educate children? (HT LGF) Posted by: Michael Zappe on April 21, 2008 12:14 AM Add your two cents...
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I'm surprised it took the media that long to freak out and do everything in their power to quash the movie. Can't let any truth leak out into the main stream
I am also wondering if these people saw the movie at all because I don't remember it being about Creationism vs Darwinism. I don't claim to know everything by any means but I do know that there is a significant difference between ID and Creationism. But really it's not even about supporting ID as much as it is about merely opening a dialogue about it. It's not hard to see that all the Darwinist's interviewed hung themselves (Richard Dawkins included).
There were no tricks or cut off re- pieced together interviews as far as I could tell (unlike the Discovery channels Jesus Tombs and well anything Michael Moore has done). As a matter of fact I'd go so far as to say they said so much of what they usually say that they could have been reading a script. They just got tripped up on some inconvenient truths.
All in all I enjoyed the movie and I'd have to say it did precisely what Ben Stein intended it. If it hadn't I suspect the reviews would have been more favorable. After all the media has to tow the party line right.
Posted by: Michelle on April 20, 2008 10:19 PM