Tvind: San Juan De Las Pulgas
Faith and Philosophy
| May 9, 2009
| Tim
I love to travel. Google earth allows poor-man's flight time: pick some portion of the Earth's surface and explore it from above. Tonight I was checking out the Northern Baja California Coast (MX), when I happened across a photo of a strange-looking complex, seemingly in the middle of nowhere, taken by "californiapilot":
According to the comments, the complex was designed by Danish architect Jørn Utzon, the same guy who did the Sydney Opera house. It was built for an, um, "humanitarian organization" (cult?) called "Tvind", named after a commune in Denmark. "There will often be 6-7 Danes living there, probably also the Tvind chairman Mogens Amdi Petersen." Petersen apparently also owned one of the world's largest yachts. At one point he hired OJ Simpson lawyer Robert Shapiro. "As of January 2009 Petersen, Larsen and three senior Tvind members were wanted by Interpol, and their location unknown." [Wikipedia]
There's a slide show of the facility here (nice, a tad new-agey or otherworldly (or even creepy perhaps), and very, very empty -- someone should develop it as a resort). Cult-dude Rick Ross has a series of articles on the group here. And here's a website ("Clothing Bin Cult") with a picture of the clothing donation boxes the group apparently placed around California.
The guy apparently sold his organization as a humanitarian group, but was channeling the money into rather, um, surprising efforts.
... a group of Danish intellectuals got together in the late 1960s with plans to form an experimental traveling folk high school. They wanted to gain knowledge about the third world and to find solutions to combat poverty. [source]
A student yesterday revealed how a cult held him prisoner for six months in Denmark.... He signed up for Humana - which claims to be a charity endorsed by UNICEF - to help some of Africa's poorest people. But when he got to their volunteer centre in Julesminde, Martin, 29, was put in a shared dormitory, constantly watched and sent out to sell newspapers and roses on the streets. [source]
Tvind has bought at least 24 plantations in Latin America in recent years. 56 employees in a luxurious administrative building in Guayquil are running the Danish colonial masters' latest conquests in Ecuador alone.... Before the Danes came, Floryl was a model farm, where employees were treated really well. "But after that, we have had no contact at all with the workers", said Joaquim Gomes da Silva... [source]
The controversial Danish-based organization Tvind, whose ties to the Cayman Islands have been outlined in previous Caymanian Compass stories, has been linked to international terrorism, guerrilla training and weapons, and communist rebel movements in Africa by a Danish newspaper and Norwegian National Television (NRK). [source]
No particular point to make here. Just a very strange thing I happened to stumble across, apropos of nothing. Thought I'd help make your day a bit more surreal.
Best to y'all!
The "Gaia Movement" is an outright international fraud raking in millions of dollars.
Judging from this photo, it's hundreds of millions of dollars...
Old rags are broken down and recycled into bulk fibers and materials for resale, and decent clothing is sold outright; all of the money goes to the lowlifes that run this fraudulant entity.
Unfortunately, they have an utterly fantastic business model that makes people feel good about themselves as they shove "money" into the big green (and sometimes light brown) charity clothing bins.
This photo explains everything. Thanks to whoever put the two together.
Please... before you donate anything to this scum, do just a little searching on the Internet and you will figure it out.
lol, that "photo" is computer generated, and not particularly well.
lol, that "photo" is computer generated, and not particularly well.
Well, there's a whole gallery of 'em up there, "shot" from various perspectives, including walking around the buildings, standing on the dirt, etc. That's an amazing amount of modeling effort (and some of the finest rendering I've ever seen, and I used to major in computer graphics) in order to "fake" a bunch of photos.
Also, you can read about the complex of buildings in some of the referenced articles. Presumably, those were all fabricated too.
Denial: not just a river in Egypt.
strangest thing... i work for tvind, i have been doing so for at least 9 years now. i have never experienced the things as described above. and just so you know; my girlfriend is currently at the conference-centre in Las Pulgas. the actual buildings are funded by tvind itself. you might wonder how that is possible, but you know; when 1000 people put their monthly salary together on a saving-up account, and only use what they need, one is able to accumulate an enormous surplus... since when is that illegal? my guess on why a lot of people can´t grasp the concept of tvind, humana and DAPP, and Gaia-movement, is siply because we are crazy enough to go for making a difference for underpriviliged people, and by doing so we put our own ego's on the side, which is totally madness according to the majority of people living their luxurious and comfortable lives. and one last thing; if i don't want to be part of this organization any longer, well... than i just quit... like everybody else can do!
but it was amuzingly funny to read all this again.. thanks
strangest thing... i work for tvind, i have been doing so for at least 9 years now. i have never experienced the things as described above...
Well, good! Thanks for contributing your perspective! (That's why there's room for public comments here.)
But in any group where abuse occurs, that abuse is often not the entire picture. To pick an example at random, in cases where, say, some priest abused a few young men, there would be plenty of people who knew the priest who said: "He seemed like a nice guy", and plenty of people in the parish who said: "Well, I was never abused."
The question isn't whether everyone is abused, the concern we should have is whether anyone was abused.
It may also be that Tvind has cleaned up its act. If so, good for them!
my girlfriend is currently at the conference-centre in Las Pulgas. the actual buildings are funded by tvind itself
You should know that's impossible -- the previous commenter stated clearly they were computer-generated, so they must not exist. Tell your girlfriend to get out of those CGI-rendered buildings right away! ;-)
Commenters are so funny.
when 1000 people put their monthly salary together on a saving-up account, and only use what they need, one is able to accumulate an enormous surplus... since when is that illegal?
Um, are we having the same conversation? I don't think anyone is saying charitable giving is illegal. The concern here, apparently, was the sponsoring of illegal activities (terrorism) and misusing charitable funds.
my guess on why a lot of people can´t grasp the concept of tvind, humana and DAPP, and Gaia-movement, is siply because we are crazy enough to go for making a difference for underpriviliged people
1. The complaints listed above are based on concern that Tvind was hurting underprivileged people.
2. You're saying they're completely fiction, made up because, say Norwegian National Television, the Danish government, and Interpol hate to see someone helping poor people? If so, why don't they also go after World Vision or Feed the Children, which also do that?
Respectfully, it sounds like you might be in denial here, Olaf. I readily admit your perspective is valid. (In fact, I welcome your views and comments!) But when you encounter information from someone else, which doesn't match up with the way you want reality to be, you claim it doesn't exist?
All the articles here about abuses linked to Tvind are fiction, made up by people who sit around worrying that someone will help poor people? (Yes, helping poor people! How we hate to see that!)
That's really your perspective?
The human mind is truly an amazing thing, isn't it?
but it was amuzingly funny to read all this again.. thanks
How can you say you're concerned about the underprivileged when you find allegations of them being abused... funny? They may be true (and tragic, if so) or false (and then evidence should be produced showing that) but I don't read about some group abusing workers and volunteers and say: "Oh, that's so funny!"
It makes me suspect you might not actually be concerned for the very people you say are so important to you.
Go West Young Man -- When the Law is chasing you go West. The compound is very real in Mexico, but I believe they are pulling up stakes and heading WEST to an island off New Zealand, I have heard it is all ready set up and operational.
If anyone has any more info or know the island's name could you post it here and/or on tvindalert.com and/or on rickross.com
Go West Young Man -- When the Law is chasing you go West. The compound is very real in Mexico, but I believe they are pulling up stakes and heading WEST to an island off New Zealand, I have heard it is all ready set up and operational.
If anyone has any more info or know the island's name could you post it here and/or on tvindalert.com and/or on rickross.com
hi again, thank you for allowing me to express my views. what i am interested in is the simple fact that all is relative and subject to who you are, what you have experienced and how these experiences are perceived and dealt with. what i think was amusing is the simple fact that someone actually thinks that these buildings are computer generated, haven't had a better laugh since i saw "supersize me", which i think is a serious documentary, yet nonetheless a good laugh as well. i think the actual problem might lay in the simple fact that since tvind always has received a good part of negative attention, tvind has taken distance to the media. this has not been a good thing, since it has added to the tvind-mistery, and fueled speculations. anyway, the danish government has had a courtcase running for the last 25 years, and have produced 1,5 km. of files and documents, yet in the end no evidence was found of any wrong-doings, besides one man who had transferred funds back and forth from one project and later back to the other. this was an illigal act, and of course was punished accordingly. don't get me wrong, when one does illigal things, it should be dealt with accordingly... looking forward to read more on your web-site
what i am interested in is the simple fact that all is relative and subject to who you are...
If "all is relative" then there *is* no such thing as a "fact". It's just "relative." If there are *no* absolute facts or judgments, then that statement itself also cannot be true.
what i think was amusing is the simple fact that someone actually thinks that these buildings are computer generated...
Ah! Well good! Sorry for the misunderstanding then, and thanks for clarifying! I also found that pretty funny. I don't know why someone might be scared to think that a complex of buildings might actually exist.
i think the actual problem might lay in the simple fact that since tvind always has received a good part of negative attention, tvind has taken distance to the media.
Well, it's a pretty understandable reaction — on both sides. It's good to give attention to negative things if it means they can improve. And it's also understandable that such a group would become "camera-shy".
the danish government has had a courtcase running for the last 25 years, and have produced 1,5 km. of files and documents, yet in the end no evidence was found of any wrong-doings, besides one man...
You start by saying "all is relative and subject to who you are", and now you're trying to argue as though facts really exist (only one count of wrongdoing) and that others (who have had different experiences than you, right?) should somehow accept your arguments as a matter of fact and truth.
Isn't that odd? I suspect you don't really believe your opening statement.
That aside, I appreciate you pointing this out — and I also agree with what you've said; other sources I've checked seem to agree with you. But you seem to be omitting some important details. For example:
In January 2009 Tvind spokesman Poul Jørgensen was found guilty of fraud, and sentenced to two and a half years imprisonment. He was said to have been responsible for money being diverted to private businesses, and not declared for tax purposes. As of January 2009 Petersen, Larsen and three senior Tvind members were wanted by Interpol, and their locations unknown.
I would doubt that Poul acted entirely on his own, and that the idea was his alone — and this probably explains why Amdi Petersen has disappeared again. The conviction above exactly matches one of the charges critics have voiced: that Tvind was using "charity" money for private wealth-making enterprises.
And what of the other allegations? They aren't the kind of thing Danish authorities would necessarily be able to convict someone for. For example, Petersen sold his Florida condo for four million dollars. That's pretty luxurious for a guy whose only income is supposedly running a charity. And what of the many people who claimed they were maltreated while working with Tvind? Are those claims all fraudulent too? I'm just curious what your take on that would be.
Best to you!
As someone who lives and works in Baja i can tell you this complex and these buildings are quite real. I first took pictures of them about 2 years ago. It was spooly asking people about what was up there as no body wanted to talk about it. see the San Diego Reader artical here:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2010/feb/03/cover-mysterious-danish-exotic-compound-baja/
you can see lots of photos here:
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/mikefromlondon/LasPulgasSlideshow#
I have taken a few of my own as well...
But the fact is that inside at Pulgas , lives Mr. Amdi himself.
Every one in the Humana knows about that.
He do long speaces about the future plans for Humana etc. and leaders from all the TG comes here to be introduced to Amdis plans for the whole org.
Mr. Amdi has his own residence inside the Centre.
His is protected by his own comrades.
I have been there.
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The "Gaia Movement" is an outright international fraud raking in millions of dollars.
Judging from this photo, it's hundreds of millions of dollars...
Old rags are broken down and recycled into bulk fibers and materials for resale, and decent clothing is sold outright; all of the money goes to the lowlifes that run this fraudulant entity.
Unfortunately, they have an utterly fantastic business model that makes people feel good about themselves as they shove "money" into the big green (and sometimes light brown) charity clothing bins.
This photo explains everything. Thanks to whoever put the two together.
Please... before you donate anything to this scum, do just a little searching on the Internet and you will figure it out.
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