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Is Milk's Taste Changing?

Late last year (2008), my gal started and I both started to notice that various milk brands here in Denver were starting to taste, for lack of a better word, disgusting. At first, she noticed in Archer Farms I bought from Target. Then she noticed that King Sooper (Kroger's) store brand started to have it. She switched to Viva (which didn't have it), and I switched to Horizon (organic). Then even Horizon started to taste that way also, and now, finally, she's reporting that Viva also tastes disgusting.

It is, quite frankly, a strong and unpleasant taste, which is a bit like rotten milk, but with a sort of sour plastic or chemical overtone. It leaves a rather nasty aftertaste behind. If it were just me, I'd would write it off to not being used to the milk here, but she's tasting it too, and it's VERY pronounced. (I can even smell it from the carton.) I can use the milk for cooking, but I have no desire to drink it or use it on cereal. It even overwhelms double-chocolate muffins.

Doing a bit of poking around, I couldn't find any news about why this might be happening. (Was it some change in milk processing techniques?) I discovered this thread, where a few other people were experiencing what sounds like the same thing. These complaints were written about the same time we started to notice something was amiss:

This is not the taste of milk that is going sour. I can detect that taste from 2 miles and when it is so faint that a bloodhound could not smell it. This is definately a taste of something besides sourness. But it is still disgusting!! For quite a long time Meijer brand milk did not have this taste. Now, all of a sudden I have 2 gallons from Meijer. Does anyone else buy milk with this "ricey" taste? Do you know what it is? Is it a additive? A chemical?

I wouldn't describe it as being like "rice" (Rice Krispies are quite delicious, actually) but this comment hits the nail on the head:

I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't define it as a "ricey" taste, but I definitely define it as a "taste." An odd taste. An after-taste. A strange, weird taste. I hate it, whatever it is. I wondered the same thing...was it an additive, or something the cows ate? ....

I don't know what accounts for this bad after-taste. But it's bad enough that I've almost given up on drinking milk altogether. It's NOT hormones (whoever commented on that), because so many people are tasting it, and also because my children taste the difference and refuse to drink it. ALSO, at the very same time I was buying this horrid milk in the cities (St. Paul), I was also working an hour away up north. I bought milk at that Walmart one day and discovered it tasted right/correct. It tasted like 2% is supposed to taste and I LOVED milk again. I started buying all our 2% there (Great Value milk) and things were going great. The Great Value milk from Walmart in the cities down here was HORRIBLE...how could the same brand have two completely different tasting milks just by being in two different cities?

Just two weeks ago, the Walmart milk from up north started tasting wretched as well . My kids noticed it first and then I tried it. They were right- it was horrible. WHAT IS GOING ON? I love milk too much to just give up on drinking it- I want to get to the bottom of this. It's not just the off brands or cheap brands either....at least, not here in MN. I tried Land O'Lakes, Kemps, and the off brands, and ALL of them had this same, putrid after-taste.

I should add that I'm not on any medications, nor is my girlfriend -- we both notice its presence and absence in the same milk samples when we compare notes. The milk isn't sour (I even just did this experiment to confirm) -- the taste is there even when we just get it home from the store, and it doesn't change much over time. It's been winter for most the time we've noticed this, and I live less than five minutes from the store -- so it's not going bad in the trunk.

I don't know what's going on, but it's enough to make me want to never drink milk again. Is anyone else out there noticing it? Any theories or other reports?

Comments

I googled this b/c i've noticed it for a few years. i came to this thread. i think the taste is a chemical taste, kind of like acitone (nail polish remover or alcohol). We only drink organic milk - that's where I smell and taste it.

Posted by: Jen on August 18, 2009 02:02 PM

I am in NC and have also noticed this taste for about two years. We drink organic milk, and I have noticed it is worse in skim, but right now we have a container of Full Circle 1% that tastes bad. It is in a plastic, but not clear container. Full Circle seems to be the worst brand,but I have tasted it in Horizon and Harris Teeter brands. The only one I haven't had a problem with is Organic Valley, which is of course the most expensive. I believe this brand is one of the only true organic, not "factory farm organic", milks. Scary.

Posted by: Laura on August 22, 2009 09:45 AM

A couple of webpages of interest, describing causes of off flavors in milk and how to prevent them. Could the "ricey" taste be what they are describing as "malty," or "grapenuts" taste? Yuck.

http://www.farminfo.org/dairy/flavor-m.htm

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:hD0dCi_-PpkJ:www.das.psu.edu/research-extension/dairy/pdf/milkflavor.pdf+milk+oxidation+flavor&hl=en&gl=us

Posted by: Laura on August 22, 2009 10:05 AM

I'm so glad to find this thread.

I call it "the chemical". I've complained about it for 10 years now. At first, it was just Viva milk in Salt Lake City. Now, after moving 4 different times, I am always scared when we go to the grocery store for the first time to see if the milk has "the chemical".

We're in Boston now, and the Market Basket and Stop 'n Shop milk is delicious. The Target milk? BLAH. My wife can taste it now that I pointed it out, and one of my kids can tell also. The others don't seem to notice much.

It's a bitter taste and leaves a bad aftertaste. It's like a chemical or maybe plastic. I cannot believe people buy the milk. I can't drink it or eat cereal in it.

Haven't had a brand of milk "switch" to having the chemical yet.

Posted by: Ryan on August 29, 2009 08:03 PM

I'm a big milk drinker (2%), and just moved from NH to IN. Back in NH, the milk was good from Hannafords, Shaws, Oakhurst, and smileys, I didn't care for marketbasket, but it was bearable. Here in IN, the first milk i tried was from Payless, I didn't like it at all, next was Marshes; which was better, maybe on par with marketbasket. Then I tried some orgnanic milk that was twice as expensive, but not much improvement. Now I just tried a glass of payless again and it's terrible! I can't even finish the glass! What is going on? Why is the milk so different?

Posted by: Graham on September 8, 2009 12:54 PM

I'm in Wisconsin and have noticed the problem for several years. It's a bad chemical taste. I've noticed it in every brand and every variation (whole, 2%, 1%, and skim). I don't buy cartons, so I'm not sure about those. The strange thing is how it comes and goes. I just bought a gallon of skim from a convenience store that operates their own dairy, and it had the bad taste. A friend of mine use to drive a milk truck and told me that a few years back they changed the way they clean and disinfect the tanks. I wonder if that could have something to do with it. Someone in the dairy industry knows what is causing this. I plan on writing some letters to try to get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: Rob on September 10, 2009 09:03 AM

I'm in Roanoke, VA. I got some Horizon 2% at Kroger(all Horizon is usually good) but I experienced the strong medicine-like/plastic taste this evening. I don't think it was "green onion" in the milk because I had some of those for supper and they tasted good. My wife said she thought it had a strong medicine taste to it well before the date on the carton and easily within the 7 day use requirement. Disgusting!!!

Posted by: Steve Alvis on September 28, 2009 06:25 PM

I started noticing this first about a year or year and one half ago. First noticed it in Horizon organic then other brands. Regular milk does not seem to be effected like the organics. Also noticed the ultra-pasteurized is much worse. Compare for example the Horizon brand organic ultra-pasteurized vs regular pasteurized and you will notice the taste is only in the ultra. The taste and/or odor is not normal. Some say chemical or plastic some describe it as band aid taste or bitterness. It is hard to place but it is there. Something is definitely wrong and the milk producers are hiding it. I have contacted several companies and though they act concerned they have no answers. The origination of this taste must be in the packaging, processing, or care of the animals and should be easy to isolate. The main culprit as stated above seems to be ultra-pasteurized. UHT processed milk is treated at a higher heat for a shorter time period. Higher heat of course denatures the proteins to a greater extent. Also heat will bring out volatile compounds and change the flavor other constituents such as the fatty acids. So it could be as simple as overheated milk with a different flavor.
One last thought. Brettanomyces is a genus of yeast that produces 4-ethyl phenol. a compound that produces the exact flavor of Band aids. It is common in red wines. It has also been isolated in milks and cheeses and is prevalent in silage. So it could be the flavor from feed or from yeast in the stored milk prior to pasteurization.
Anyway, it may be a by product of the current production processes or it could indeed be a conspiracy.

Posted by: Ethan on October 17, 2009 10:56 AM

The other link says it's because of "oxidation" from light. Any truth to this? My wife and 2 kids both notice it when we get a gallon of this nasty milk. All we can do is use it for instant oatmeal or cooking when we get one of these. It's horrible and it's bothering me to no end. I want to know how I can get back my perfect skim milk. We are up to about 1 of every 3 gallons purchased tasting this way.

Posted by: on November 11, 2009 07:28 PM

Kelly - Interesting.
I found
an article on milk oxidation.

I guess according to this the reason that the oxidation which occurs in skim milk is not the cause is that the fat is removed from skim milk and it's the oxidized fat which causes the problems, even in very small amounts such as with skim milk.

The taste of powdered milk is not from oxidation it is from the high heat treatment that the milk undergoes to get dried, similar to how UHT or shelf stable fluid milk tastes.

You're saying that heat does something else besides just oxidize the constituents? I'm curious what.

Posted by: Ryan W. on November 22, 2009 10:58 PM

I have mainly noticed it in Walmart milk and half and half. Is it some type of preservative so that it can be shipped for a long time? Other local brands don't seem to be affected.

Posted by: Jess M on November 24, 2009 09:23 AM

I've noticed that Meijer 2% has a strong 'thick' taste. I can't put my finger on what the flavor is, but it is consistant over at least a year. Not quite bad, but really different than the Kroger 2% I normally buy. Has anyone else tasted this at Meijer?

Posted by: Kevin on December 15, 2009 05:17 PM

Target's milk has a very strange taste. I cannot quite describe other than to say that is not good.

Posted by: on December 16, 2009 10:42 PM

I live near Vancouver British Columbia. Our milk has been tasting aweful for a few years now. Occasionally we get a jug that's good but it seems that at least half the milk we buy these days has that god aweful chemical after taste. I've heard it is a new chlorination method that permits the use of milk that would normally be discarded but this may just be a rumour. One thing for certain they've done something that has ruined the taste of milk and if it's chemical additives people have the right to know.

Posted by: Murray on December 20, 2009 08:56 PM

I've done a slight amount of searching and found a study on the Journal of Dairy Science (sounds like a lively lot, right?) about the effect of cattle ethanol consumption on milk flavor. (Cows may be ingesting ethanol from fermented feed.) http://jds.fass.org/cgi/content/abstract/82/2/420
"When cows received ethanol...Milk concentrations... of ethanol and acetone increased...The proportion of palmitic acid in milk fat increased... Organoleptic milk quality was reduced because of an increase in milk tainted by feed flavors. The off-flavor could not be attributed solely to the ethanol transmitted to the milk. Precautions should be taken to avoid extensive production of ethanol during fermentation of grass silage and other feeds that are to be fed to dairy cows."

In short, ethanol in feed made the milk taste bad ("the organoleptic quality decreased" - where organoleptic quality means flavor quality)

So here are some of the observations on the bad milk flavor, and then how these correlate with ethanol in feed affecting flavor:
Observed:
1. Random incidents of bad flavor; of 2 milks, even from the same brand made on the same day, one may have the flavor and one may not
2. Varying degrees of bad flavor
3. Higher quality brands having less frequent occurrences of the bad flavor.
Theory:
1. Some cows eat fermented feed, some don't.
2. Some cows eat more fermented feed.
3. Higher quality milk producers are likely to have fresher feed/ higher quality feed for all the cows

Given bad milk flavor has been occurring for the last 20 years (according to some comments here), I think alcohol-eating cows are a reasonable explanation (and hopefully a bit consoling to those worried about their delicious milk). I wouldn't say this is conclusively why your milk is tasting weird, but as they noted minute quantities of rocket fuel in California milk, I think it's more plausible than a nation-wide contamination of some horrible chemical that'll be sterilizing your kids. At the very least, I think this points to something the cows are eating.

Personally, I'm going to try buying whatever the higher quality brands are, as taking that first sip of nasty milk is the bane of my dietary existence at the moment.

A note on acetone(because it sounds like something nasty you wouldn't want in your milk): concentrations were on the order of 0.01 millimole / liter, or on the order of less than 1 ppm - well below noticeable health effects [ingesting 20 grams a day (WAAAAY higher than anything you'd get from milk) caused no health effects in a study]. However breathing acetone vapor concentrations around 250ppm for a few hours can cause some effect... so don't do that.

Posted by: KG on January 2, 2010 09:44 PM

I'm in sonoma county CA and my gf's family loves Lucern milk and I cannot stand it. It has the onion taste or just bad gas taste or something. Sometimes it gets stronger 1 or 2 days after it's been in the fridge. I notice it most when it hits the back of my mouth. On the other hand, I buy the Berkley Farms or even Crystal and find that it tastes really good, but maybe a little of a rice taste if rice tasted sweet. They cannot stand the taste of that milk--completely opposite. Recently I've been putting a glass of the Lucern milk in the microwave for 30 secs and finding that it takes the edge off of it. Maybe it has something to do with the heating process during the homogenization or whatever. I'm going to try drinking raw milk anyway because of other things I am reading. But in our family we disagree on which taste of milk is nasty and which is good.

Posted by: Matt on January 20, 2010 04:59 PM

My wife and I are BIG milk drinkers - four to five gallons a week - and we have been noticing the bad taste from Walmart's Great Value Skim milk here in Austin Texas. Neither of us can stomach the strong taste so we are returning the two unopened gallons and are going back to milk from H.E.B. which has so far been fine.

Posted by: Rick on January 20, 2010 07:01 PM

I have been noticing this taste for several years now, mostly in Kroger 1% milk. The people at the store were very unconcerned about it. My kids refused to drink this milk. My husband says it tastes like the milk he had when he was a kid and his parents tried to stretch it by adding powdered milk to it. I noticed on the label of ALL the varieties of Kroger milk that they don't just list milk and vitamin D, they all list milk, skim milk and vitamins. What is up with that? Why add skim milk to whole milk?

Posted by: Krissy on February 5, 2010 07:28 AM

I've noticed during the past year or two that Horizon milk has a funky metallic taste and smell, just awful.... Also, I've repeatedly tossed brand new cartons of Horizon half-and-half because what comes out looks like stringy, snotty mucous.... rather disgusting and repulsive. No more Horizon products for me. I now buy organic milk from a small local dairy and haven't had a problem.

Posted by: Anne O'D on March 10, 2010 02:01 PM

I have noticed this indescribable taste and odor in a few of the gallon bottles of Target (Market Pantry) branded fat free, that I have purchased over the past 2 years. Hoping for better results with Kemps.

Posted by: Alex on March 12, 2010 08:56 AM

we have been experiencing the same thing in Rochester ny for the past year. we have tried buying from a dairy (glass bottles). we have tried buying in 1/2 gallons instead of gallons. sometimes the taste is bad right when we bring it home from the store. next we're trying paper cartons.

Posted by: abh on March 15, 2010 08:48 PM

I live in Toronto, Canada and my wife & I started to notice this awful skunky taste about 2-3 years ago. We have always been big milk drinkers (2% milk) & have tried various brands/stores etc. & find it's hit & miss. Sometimes it's fine for a few weeks or so then it seems it doesn't matter what brand you buy it's just downright awful. She always makes me a tea in my travel mug before I head off for work & the taste was too overpowering to drink yesterday morning. I even find there are varying degrees of this "awfulness" from mild but tolerable to pour that crap down the drain now! I'm sick & tired of this "Skunky Milk" problem, it really makes me wonder what the hell they are putting in the supply nowadays!!

Posted by: CB on March 31, 2010 07:23 PM

Ok, after dealing with this for about a year and posting a comment here about it, I think I've come to the conclusion that it's a "freshness" issue. I decided to go to our local mom & pop "milk store" that gets their milk fresh daily from a local dairy. I asked them about the horrible taste of supermarket milk (particularly skim). She told me it's particularly bad for skim milk because some time ago they changed the rules on freshness dating and because skim keeps longer, the freshness dates were extended. When milk sits in a supermarket and is exposed to flourescent lights, it tends to degrade the proteins (and lipids - but I have no idea what that means). Needless to say, it makes the milk taste bad.
My advise: find the closest dairy and see who buys and sells their milk (preferably in bottles). It costs a little more, but I have yet to find 1 bad tasting bottle after several months.

Posted by: on April 12, 2010 07:05 AM

I have noticed this in Prarie Farms and Meijer brands... Kids refuse to drink it and it tastes awful, I agree more Chemical than ricey.

The only milk I buy now is DEAN and Oberwies.

After all this conversation though it looks like it hasn't really been narrowed down.. Ferminted Grain, Oxidation, additives.

Does anyone know of any studies that have been done on the Milk that exhibit this taste... I've been throwing it away for months now when I find the taste. Since I don't know what it is I'm not going to risk giving it to my kids. Too many stories of tainted additives in the news to take the risk.

Posted by: Daniele on April 14, 2010 03:07 PM

I have been drinking Horizon organic milk reduced fat with omega 3 for a while. But today, the one I bought from Kroger at the Atlanta rd was horrible. It did not have any smell, so I drank it without any hesitation..then soon I found out it had very weird taste. It was not "rotten milk", it was more like a "milk contaminated with some chemicals". Because I am pregnant now, I tried my best to throw up..I am still hoping it wasn't toxic stuff...I returned the milk to the Kroger and got a different company's organic milk, which tastes fine..

Posted by: sachi on April 15, 2010 09:25 PM

I am SO glad I am not the only one noticing this. My family thinks I am crazy, but every organic skim milk I try tastes like chemicals! I am in the Philadelphia area and I just started noticing this about 6 months ago here. ALL Target milk is disgusting and I cannot drink any milk from a plastic container. I like to use organic dairy, so I have been sticking with 1%, but I will try the Wegman's brand as suggested by someone above. I used to love milk, now it too much work to find milk that doesn't taste nasty.....so sad. Thank you everyone for the info!

Posted by: KKL on May 11, 2010 01:53 PM

I stumbled upon this forum when looking up why my milk tasted kind of metallic and soapy today. I absolutely cannot stand the taste of pasteurized store milk so I always buy raw milk from a local farmer and it's always rich and sweet, especially throughout the summer. However, the milk I bought yesterday looked really thin and bluish with all the whitish cream floating on top. It looked fine initially when I picked it up. However, I didn't have the ability to get it into the fridge for 1-1/2 hours today. I noticed by the time I got home it had done all that separating and when I went to drink a glass, having been looking forward to it all day, it had that weird taste to it, like I often get from store milk. I called the farm to ask about what might cause it and they said it was either one of two causes. The first was that they had just cleaned out their tank and equipment the morning I got my milk (which was milked that morning as well) so it was possible I had some cleaning contamination in a small degree. However, the biggest contributor was that the milk, being only partially cooled at the time I picked it up, oxidized in the car from exposure to sunlight for that 90 minute timeframe (damn traffic accident and detours preventing me from getting home), which was sped up by not being chilled. Basically, if milk is not chilled quickly and kept out of light while it is chilling, the fats will oxidize and bring out a pronounced metallic or soapy taste. The milk is still good, just has an off taste to it. The farm offered to replace my milk for free, but I agreed to a half price replacement since I feel a lot of it was my fault and not theirs that it went bad. The new gallon tasted perfect! Lesson learned, keep milk out of sunlight and get it into the fridge ASAP!!!!

Posted by: Tiffany on June 9, 2010 11:11 PM

This is slightly off-topic, but just curious to see if anyone else has noticed something similar... can't find anything on google about it... The most recent gallon of skim milk we purchased at Walmart was NOT skim milk at all, but something more like 2% or whole milk! You milk drinkers out there know the difference... you can tell in a heartbeat. Especially if you've been drinking skim for years.

As far as BAD milk goes, we've only had one carton go bad immediately, a container of horizon whole milk for our daughter. It tasted bad the day we purchased it, like it was already sour weeks before the expiration date.

Posted by: Josh on June 23, 2010 01:18 AM

I'm in FL, and I hanestly haven't noticed a diference in my milk at all. Anyone in FL having milk problems?

Posted by: Tiffany on August 20, 2010 12:10 PM

i live in north california, on an air force base actually. we get berkley farms brand milk and i swear, 30% of the time the milk is either expired or has this new taste you have been describing, i cant tell which. this is with expiration dates as early as 2 weeks out.

Posted by: tofu on August 24, 2010 11:18 AM

Location: Mpls. MN

Milk: Whole and 2%

Brands affected so far: Kemps, Land O Lakes, Horizon

I even emailed Kemps and they suggested it was light oxidation and improper storage with the lights always on in the cooler. I thought I was going to have to stop all milk drinking. My coffee requires milk for my taste. Pouring out my morning juice just is sad.

We found Byerly's brand to never have this tainted flavor ever. Whole milk and have been buying it for years.

Once in a while we stop off out of convenience to pick up another brand. That was yesterday and now I have an icky latte I just made and it's not drinkable with this taste.

My tastebuds are registering a soapy aftertaste.
Yuck and how long can this go on without some serious attention?

Posted by: Dennis on September 28, 2010 07:45 AM

I live in NYC and also have been having this problem with different name brands (Tuscan, Oaktree, Rolling, Elmhurst, etc.). I thought if I bought milk from large chain stores instead of small local stores it would be different. The only difference was the price, I ended up paying more at the large stores for bad milk. I plan to make a mass mailing to these milk companies and/or the distributing stores informing them to take this matter seriously. We have gotten outrageous and unfair price increases on staples like milk to then have this situation occur, enough is enough.

Posted by: EC on October 31, 2010 10:52 PM

I'm glad to hear others notice this foul taste too. I have a few comments which I observed over the years which might help: I directly attribute the taste to milk in plastic jugs only. The first time I tasted milk in platic, 10 or 15 years ago, I notice the taste. I simply stayed with the cardboard cartens. Then a few years ago all daries stopped using cardboard and I had to switch to plastic. The single quarts were still many times available in cardboard, but since I drink a lot of milk, there were never enough cartons in stock. For me the only solution is the Swiss brand in Giant stores. Swiss brand is no good at other stores and rarely it is not good at Giant. (no I don't work for Swiss or Giant) My theory is that Swiss uses a solid white plastic which reflects some of the lighting. I also pick the gallon jugs in the back so that they are not exposed as much to the lighting. I saw earlier that someone noted the floresent lighting being the cause and that would explain why glass bottles were popular years ago, and caused no bad taste after being exposed to sunlight. Someone else noted about the cows in the wild onions or garlic. This does give milk an absolutly horrible tase, but it has a different flavor. I do wish I could find an article that stated the true cause and that daries could then address it.

Posted by: RD on November 5, 2010 09:55 PM

I have had that problem for the past few years. For a while I only purchased Deans milk because I didn't taste it in there... now some times Deans has the chemical taste and sometimes it doesn't. I actually have had luck with the Great Value(walmart) brand milk. But what's the deal?

Posted by: Lisa on November 30, 2010 11:10 AM

I live in Indiana, and i Noticed the same thing with the Dean's milk here. it was fine until about 2 years ago, now dean's taste's just awful, and everything else is fine. And everytime anyone in my family buys it, they think its just fine, and act like i'm going crazy. Now i have to make sure we have at least one extra gallon of a different kind just so they won't buy more dean's, cause thats all they want to buy for some reason

Posted by: Steven on December 14, 2010 02:28 AM

I think what we're 'tasting' is the usage of recycled materials to manufacture the 'new' containers. Especially if it's HDPE plastic.

Posted by: on December 28, 2010 04:16 PM

Sorry about the double post. ooops!
I Just spoke with the food science dairy extension agent from Oregon State University. She says the bad flavored milk is from overheating during pasteurization. she says that it is seen occasionally in ultra pasteurized products.

Posted by: tom on January 7, 2011 11:25 AM

I am employed as a farm sanitarian for a small family own dairy and what is being described is a whole series of problems known as off flavored milk. These issues are caused by the cattle eating spoiled or moldy feed. This most often happens toward the end of winter as silos begin to empty. If a cow on pasture eats wild garlic, the flavor will carry into the milk. Airborne dust and dander from unclean animals, housing, milking, and storage facilities can find it's way into the milk and can cause issues. Worn out equipment parts that allow air to be injected into the milk will cause oxidation of the product. Over agitation of the milk can cause it to become rancid. All of these issue are farm related. However, off flavors can be related to processing equipment not operating properly. I have also observed the improper handling of product by retailers. For milk not to spoil it has to be kept at 40 degrees or less. Just a brief warm up period will degrade the product. I assure you that as a farm inspector we are concerned about these off flavors they degrade the product, shorten shelf life, and in cheese making reduce yield and thus profit line of all involved. So, please if you purchase a bottle of off flavored milk, let the retailer know and call the dairy that bottled the milk and ask to talk to their quality control manager. This may mean extra work for me. But, that is what I am payed to do

Posted by: milch gehaben on January 26, 2011 09:29 PM

I noticed some milk taste different than what I'm used to. It's kind of "malty" and sweeter.

My family and I find the flavor pleasant and I enjoy drinking milk so much more now.

Posted by: eden on February 21, 2011 04:09 AM

I'm 60ish and live on Long Island, NY and have been a big milk drinker all my life. Lately (over the past 10-15 years or so) I've noticed milk quality getting more and more variable. I would buy a cardboard or plastic container and right away would notice a very disagreeable off-taste. Here it seems to have started with Elmhurst Dairy and Tuscan brands. Once in a while I would notice it in other brands but it seemed to be very common in these two. The milk didn't taste sour (like other posters here, I'm very sensitive to soured milk products, they turn my stomach) but it had a strange taste to it. I guess you could call it an oniony (or garlicy) taste or maybe a chemical taste. With both these brands about 4 out of every 5 containers tasted this way. Needless to say, I stopped buying these two brands a couple of years ago so I can't comment on their quality now. While I haven't seen Elmhurst Dairy milk anywhere for some time now (did they go out of business?) the Tuscan brand is hard to avoid. On LI it's absolutely everywhere! It seems that 99% of all the delis on LI as well as the 7-11s carry only Tuscan milk, which, by itself, is very suspicious. I feel this is a matter which really deserves to be investigated by the law. Especially now, considering that most supermarkets here are no longer open 24 hours and if you run out of milk in the wee morning hours you have no choice but to take your chances on Tuscan from 7-11 or some all-night deli. But the problem is spreading. After reading these posts, I took a chance on a quart of milk from Walmart. It was awful! It had a worse and quite different off-taste than the usual, more of a harsh, chemical taste. So I took it back and got a refund. Also, a couple of weeks ago I noticed that a half-gallon of Stop'n'Shop brand 2% had that oniony-garlicy taste so I took it back, too. Now I'm getting worried, I could always depend on Stop'n'Shop milk in the past but something seems to be changing now. However, on the plus side, I have noticed a couple of things which may help people. (1) I haven't noticed any off-taste in half'n'half (from many brands) and I drink a lot of this. (Mixed 50-50 with Oregon Chai Tea concentrate, it's terrific!). (2) I strongly suggest to anyone who buys a container of bad milk that, rather than dump the milk, you take it back to where you bought it and demand your money back. If everyone does this you can be sure the stores will put pressure on their suppliers to do something about the problem. Who knows, our graftinment might even wake up and take notice. Miracles do happen.

Posted by: Moodie-1 on March 16, 2011 01:15 PM

I'm 60ish and live on Long Island, NY and have been a big milk drinker all my life. Lately (over the past 10-15 years or so) I've noticed milk quality getting more and more variable. I would buy a cardboard or plastic container and right away would notice a very disagreeable off-taste. Here it seems to have started with Elmhurst Dairy and Tuscan brands. Once in a while I would notice it in other brands but it seemed to be very common in these two. The milk didn't taste sour (like other posters here, I'm very sensitive to soured milk products, they turn my stomach) but it had a strange taste to it. I guess you could call it an oniony (or garlicy) taste or maybe a chemical taste. With both these brands about 4 out of every 5 containers tasted this way. Needless to say, I stopped buying these two brands a couple of years ago so I can't comment on their quality now. While I haven't seen Elmhurst Dairy milk anywhere for some time now (did they go out of business?) the Tuscan brand is hard to avoid. On LI it's absolutely everywhere! It seems that 99% of all the delis on LI as well as the 7-11s carry only Tuscan milk, which, by itself, is very suspicious. I feel this is a matter which really deserves to be investigated by the law. Especially now, considering that most supermarkets here are no longer open 24 hours and if you run out of milk in the wee morning hours you have no choice but to take your chances on Tuscan from 7-11 or some all-night deli. But the problem is spreading. After reading these posts, I took a chance on a quart of milk from Walmart. It was awful! It had a worse and quite different off-taste than the usual, more of a harsh, chemical taste. So I took it back and got a refund. Also, a couple of weeks ago I noticed that a half-gallon of Stop'n'Shop brand 2% had that oniony-garlicy taste so I took it back, too. Now I'm getting worried, I could always depend on Stop'n'Shop milk in the past but something seems to be changing now. However, on the plus side, I have noticed a couple of things which may help people. (1) I haven't noticed any off-taste in half'n'half (from many brands) and I drink a lot of this. (Mixed 50-50 with Oregon Chai Tea concentrate, it's terrific!). (2) I strongly suggest to anyone who buys a container of bad milk that, rather than dump the milk, you take it back to where you bought it and demand your money back. If everyone does this you can be sure the stores will put pressure on their suppliers to do something about the problem. Who knows, our graftinment might even wake up and take notice. Miracles do happen.

Posted by: Moodie-1 on March 16, 2011 01:15 PM

It's the difference between the waxpaper carton and the plastic carton. In NY buying milk in the paper carton never has this taste. Everytime I have bought it in a plastic container it tastes nasty. Almost like it is expired even though it isnt. It also always has an expired smell even right after opening. If milk companies kept using paper cartons things would be fine but they are phasing it out left and right for some reason.

Posted by: Chris on March 24, 2011 04:13 PM

We buy carton milk in Denver and it still tastes sour. I find that Horizon is the best but sometimes I think I've purchased a bad batch. If we drank more milk, I'd gladly go back to Royal Crest.

Posted by: Courtney in Denver on March 30, 2011 11:56 AM

I've noticed the sawdust afertaste in two brands of organic: Stonyfield Organic Fat Free and Full Circle Fat Free. Then I noticed the codes at the top--they were identical. They were produced from the same plant and sold under two differtent brands. The taste told me they were related before I saw the codes telling me they were.
The codes are EH2L4 36-5631

Posted by: on April 4, 2011 06:24 PM

IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ:

In order to possibly identify the source of the se issues, PLEASE post the numbers from the milk container here for all to see so we can compare and maybe find the common denominator.
The most important is the 2 digit number followed by a dash, and other numbers which indicate the state, and plant that the milk was processed in. For instance, a 36 is New York, a 55 is Wisconsin, a 27 is Minnesota, etc.

A full list of state codes is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Information_Processing_Standard_state_code

Posted by: on April 21, 2011 08:14 AM

Just had a glass of FatFree CountryFresh milk bought yesterday and it tastes horrible. I went to their site and complained. I also cannot find any news stories on this but with all these people complaining it must be addressed sooner or later I hope.

Posted by: holly on May 26, 2011 01:12 PM

As a milk lover, I almost blammed the unpleasant taste on the whole grains in my Lucky Charms. BUT I like whole grains, so that couldn't be it. It was the milk - Horizon Organic Fat Free, and still 23 days from expiration. You can definitely tell the difference. No side effects. Just unpleasant.

Posted by: Shana on June 1, 2011 07:11 PM

We've been struck with it in MD. It's been skim and 1%, in plastic containers. It's been different stores and brands. (Rutters, Walmart Great Value, and Nells Shurfine grocery store). I have no idea why this "taste" comes and goes, but we hate it. Maybe if enough of us start returning our milk gallons, maybe the stores can step up and get some answers.

Posted by: Ellen on June 14, 2011 07:30 PM

I live in Bergen County, NJ across the river from New York City and have noticed this taste for a couple of years now. No one else seems to notice besides real milk lovers. Tuscan & Farmland are the major brands up here and boy do they suck!

Target's Market Pantry Brand and Trader Joe's are still delicious. It's strange that the store brands are producing a better product than the popular brands. Trader Joe's milk is the absolute best however, tastes like milk should taste without a hint of that chemical-plastic-watered down flavor. Target is good too, but does lean very, very slightly towards this flavor - not enough to notice unless comparing the two which I've done. Wal-Mart as of last year was tasting good as well - who knows now?

Anyway, I called Tuscan on this and of course they are clueless as to the flavor I'm reporting and they claim no one else has called with this issue. Bullshit! That was about a year and a half ago and their cow juice still tastes like its mixed with urine!

Posted by: Jacob on August 7, 2011 04:57 PM

Oh, and yes, I only buy gallons so it's definitely not the plastic jug. Tuscan and Farmland still taste like crap out of the carton.

Posted by: Jacob on August 7, 2011 05:04 PM

Yes! I have been noticing this taste for the last several years as well. We used to only but Horizon, but now we make a special trip to our natural food store to but Organic Valley. I especially like non-homoganized brands, but they are a little harder to find.

Posted by: Heather on August 21, 2011 05:47 PM

The milk taste is bad because of the antibiotics and growth hormones they give the cows. now the question is how safe is it for you and your family? not only that they will tell you nothings wrong with it and give them meds increases there profit by 10% who cares about the people drinking milk its all bout big profit...WAKE UP

Posted by: on October 4, 2011 01:03 PM

about two weeks ago i bought some whole milk from Rite aid and it had a rank aftertaste. i figured it was because i wasn't used to whole milk but then i bought some 2% from giant eagle and it has the same taste but it is less pronounced. this leads me to believe that it is related to fat content and is perhaps the result of something fat soluble in the milk. I know for a fact that the taste of milk has changed as i drink almost a gallon of milk a day and the change came as a disgusting shock.

Posted by: jed on October 16, 2011 08:46 AM

I just gave our 14-month-old twin toddlers Full Circle organic whole milk, expiration date November 24, 2011. Now we go through 3-4 gallons a week so milk doesn't last long in our house. Well, our son vomited 5 times in a couple hours. I noticed that it smelled cheesy and looked a bit like curds so I started to get suspicious of the milk. I don't have a strong sense of smell, but I put that right up to my nose and hooo boy! it was definitely spoiled. Interesting that only one twin was affected. I called the nurse, and she said to keep him on a bland diet with a little liquids at a time and if he keeps vomiting then we should bring him in to check for dehydration. I don't think I'll be buying Full Circle milk again. I have 2 more gallons in the fridge. I opened another one today and it smelled off but not as bad as the one that made our son vomit. I'm going to do the test to see if that one is actually spoiled. I want to give our kids organic milk, but I don't particularly want them throwing up either. That can't be good.

Posted by: Lenore on October 19, 2011 06:15 PM

Last year is when I first noticed a big change. It started with Kroger brand, so I took it back and they suggested I try organic. I did, and there was quite a difference. However, since then, the organic milk tastes bad too every 2 or 3 purchases. I save my grocery receipts now. I feel silly returning milk a day or so after purchase, but something isn't right and I'm not going to dump $4 - $5 down the drain. What is going on with milk?!?

Posted by: Mary on November 14, 2011 10:10 AM

"Ultra-pasteurization: The Blanding of America

As the small family dairies went broke and the large commercial dairies became bigger the amount of milk available locally dropped. Now instead of milk being shipped 100 or 200 miles it was shipped across country. Sometimes it didn't arrive in such good shape.

Over time the microorganisms became resistant to pasteurization and human bodies less resistant to the microorganisms. So, the dairies began to process milk at higher temperatures, longer, and called this new process ultra-pasteurization.

Ultra-pasteurization will keep milk from going bad for four weeks, sometimes more. This milk can actually be kept on the shelf because it really won't go bad. The grocers love it. It is great for their profits. The big dairies love it, they worry even less about food borne illness as a result of their poor sanitary practices and the poor health of their animals.

Many consumers don't love it because it tastes...flat...watery...not really like milk. That is o.k. because over the past 30 years most of the American public has forgotten what real milk tastes like, just as they have forgotten what a real apple tastes like.

Ultra-pasteurized milk cannot be turned into cheese. Whipping cream that is ultra-pasteurized does not whip as well, so sometimes they add stabilizers to it. Even the organic dairies, like Horizon, are ultra-pasteurizing their milk. It does have to be marked according to the FDA, and it is getting harder and harder to find milk and dairy products that are not ultrapasteurized."


NOOOOOO It is not OK. I think they are being lazy because now this milk can have a later expiration date and is not as temperature sensitive. That doesn't mean anything if it tastes TERRIBLE ;_; I want milk back...

Posted by: Kaitlin on November 20, 2011 09:34 PM

I just ran across your post after a quick google search for "milk tastes funny". I live in the suburbs of Chicago and have been experiencing this horrible tasting milk for years. I thought it was just the way certain brands tasted and kept switching brands till I found one that didn't taste bad. I've had good luck with the inexpensive brand that our local Woodman's sold, but lately every 2nd or 3rd gallon we buy tastes so horrible I can't even drink it with chocolate syrup! Every morning this week my glass of chocolate milk has been getting smaller and smaller. I keep hoping that I can at least choke down at small amount of it, but this week it's been so bad that I just end up pouring it down the drain. Is there nothing we can do to stop this?!? I (used to) enjoy drinking milk, and now that my baby is being weened onto drinking cow's milk vs. breast milk I'm worried about his health. We've been buying Horizon Organic milk for him, but I am not happy with the fact that it's ultra pasteurized and shelf stable! Real milk needs to be refrigerated! This change in milk flavor is very creepy and we're seeing it happen right before our eyes. I know the food industry is famous for adding horrible stuff to our food, but the fact that the change in flavor is THIS obvious and no one is talking about it is terrifying! Do they think the public won't mind their milk tasting like garbage? I wonder if we all just stopped buying it, would they return to making real milk again?

Posted by: Beth on November 30, 2011 10:28 AM

I live up in Michigan and have noticed the sour after taste... I was hoping to find a brand here that didn't taste bad... We all need to return the bad milk instead of dumping it... We all know big dairy won't fix the problem until it hurts their bottom line...

Posted by: Lou on December 8, 2011 11:29 AM

West Virginia chiming in here (after randomly finding this). Wal-Mart and Kroger are the major grocers, and I've noticed a change in the milk since around 2006 or so. It's "soapy" or "plastic" flavored. I avoid Great Value milk because it's had a 100% track record of spoiling long before the sell-by date, when kept in a pretty cold fridge. It seems to be the worst in terms of flavor and texture.

Even buttermilk has turned disgusting, and smells very off (I happen to like buttermilk).

A smaller producer in Ohio is Snowville Creamery. They produce half gallon paper cartons (remember those?), and advertise pasteurization only (not homogenized). After having plenty of their milk, I can agree it is not homogenized. The 2% and whole milks have a cream layer on top. A half-gallon costs $3, and Ohio has no food tax (unlike WV where, yes, we are taxed on the food we eat).

To shorten this, any time I'm in south-eastern Ohio, I try to get some Snowville milk and enjoy. Otherwise I'm stuck with the rancid water passed off as milk.

Posted by: Me on December 10, 2011 11:30 PM

None of you are imagining any of this. That putrid smelling, undrinkable milk is nearly everywhere. It seems reasonable the likely cause is either due to diet manipulation of the cows, or possibly something occurring in the production of some types of milk containers.

For example, I have personally noticed for well over 10 years, this phenomenon only occurs in opaque plastic milk containers - not cardboard nor glass - which refutes the notion of the animals' dietary intake to some extent.

Second, it does not occur consistently with all opaque plastic, but only some. I strongly suspect the foul odor, unpleasant taste and lingering disagreeable aftertaste is, in fact, caused by some chemical reaction between the container and the milk, or possibly some residual element of the manufacturing process leaving trace particulates on the inside of the container.

A chemist acquaintance of mine also noted that milk taste is affected by the passage of light through the container. To what degree, if any, there is a correlation I do not know.

I would very much like to smell the inside of one of the plastic milk containers BEFORE any milk is placed inside to verify or dismiss the theory that the milk taste is in fact being altered or contaminated by the container itself. Additionally, I would like to experiment with such a container by placing non-affected fresh milk inside it to see if it indeed changes over time and how quickly.

It is interesting to observe this awful taste is consistent around the country - that is to say, it is, for all practical purposes, identical from place to place, imperceptibly different so far as pungency at least.

One thing does seem certain - because it appears this issue is yet to be officially addressed, the public needs to demand conclusive scientific research into the potential harm this phenomenon may be causing. And even if it is satisfactorily proven to be harmless, the public can still force an industry-wide change by their concerted refusal to consume this appallingly unacceptable product.

Posted by: Gary on December 11, 2011 12:06 AM

I know exactly what taste you all are offended by. I took dairy sensory analysis in college and even competed in a sensory team where we trained to identify milk quality by taste.

The horrible taste that is so prevalent in milk anymore is light oxidation. When milk is exposed to sunlight it develops a strong off flavor and aftertaste. The easiest way to learn to identify light oxidized milk is that it will produce a drying sensation in your mouth. As the oxidation becomes more pronounced the flavor becomes more apparent. Once you start becoming sensitive to light oxidized milk you will have a very hard time finding milk you can tolerate :(

When milk is in clear plastic sitting in light 24/7 in your grocery store it will oxidize very fast. I used to buy carton milk (horizon organic) to avoid this oxidation, but they must have changed the way they handle milk as it is almost always oxidized now. I get lucky now sometimes and get palatable milk by going to the run down grocery store with dimly lit displays and grabbing milk from the back where it is exposed to less light. Still, it's a crapshoot whether I will be able to drink it.

If you are not sensitive to oxidized milk just keep on drinking it. Ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: Justin on January 7, 2012 07:15 PM

I bought a 2 litre carton of milk on Friday, Saturday morning, I gagged on my cereal from the taste of chemicals and I bought a 1 litre half and half cream by Foremost from a different store and the same problem (hindsight i saw it was Foremost and should have stayed away)...the carton just emits chemical fumes..the taste is horrible, bitter and like chemicals

Posted by: on January 8, 2012 10:08 AM

Bought Costco Kirland organic too. It's undrinkable. It almost smells spoiled or made with unclean equipment. We are going to get our money back.

Posted by: Lisa on January 21, 2012 12:29 PM

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